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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
16 Sept 2013, 15:53
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16 Sept 2013, 15:53#1

 

Loose Pass

16th September 2013 11:03

Not popular in SA: Romain Poite

This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with the case against Bismarck, the Heineken Cup, and innovative disciplinary procedures...

 

Another belting physical game between the two best teams in the world, another bout of controversy and calls for 'off with his head' to the referee and too little attention paid to the actual rugby.

 

I don't think you'll find too many people who would say that New Zealand wouldn't have won anyway (including Heyneke Meyer), nor too many people who would claim that Bismarck du Plessis' first yellow card was not extremely harsh. It was a poor judgement call by Romain Poite and he'll no doubt be dressed down by his own superiors.

 

But there are three aspects of it nobody is paying heed to - or rather, there are aspects where people are looking at it from the wrong angle and criticizing the wrong people.

 

First up: the video referee. Poite is unequivocal about what he wants from George Ayoub: "I have a decision on the tackle, but please check if there is any foul play after it," he says. All those furious at Ayoub for not interfering should recognize, once Poite has asked a question for something specific, IRB protocols say the video referee is not to get involved. So Ayoub could not have said anything about the legality of the tackle - video referees have been roundly slapped on the wrist for interfering out of their scope of responsibility in the past.

 

Second: here's a thought - if you already have a yellow card, you probably shouldn't raise an elbow driving into contact later in the game and risk another one. This is the highest level of professional sport and you should expect players to be mentally tough enough to accept an injustice and realize they must play the rest of the game accordingly. The first card wouldn't have mattered as much if Du Plessis had not so foolishly earned the second.

 

Thirdly, and sticking to the theme of mental toughness, five minutes after Du Plessis' first yellow came New Zealand's second try, which was ultimately down to four missed tackles within the space of 60 seconds. Two of them were absolute howlers. South Africa as a team are not well-known for reacting well to perceived injustice and they certainly paid the price here - that the last of the missed tackles was a peculiar forlorn goalkeeper-style dive from Bismarck's brother Jannie did not go unnoticed either. The first yellow card rattled them hard. Meanwhile, New Zealand absorbed the loss to injury of the best fly-half in the world seamlessly.

 

Anybody who spends a little time among New Zealand's highest level of rugby personnel will tell you: mental toughness is one of the aspects they spend the most time on because it wins them games in moments like these. It's why they are just so clinical when the chances present themselves.

 

As the light of day becomes colder, the Bok fans should know that they can bemoan the referee all they want, but introspection and some video analysis ought to reveal that New Zealand's principal edge over them is more mental than physical at the moment.

 

The good news is that if this is corrected, South Africa could legitimately be the best team on the planet.

 

 

A further note on the above: Poite has received the second-hardest slamming of all time in the media; second only to the horrific persecution of Bryce Lawrence. His Wikipedia entry was savagely re-written, he's been labelled 'a disgrace', 'ignoramus' and 'an idiot' by various newspapers, columnists and television journalists, even the classy ones.

 

It would be a lot easier to feel sympathy for the South Africa at times if many of their fans weren't so ugly about things like this - and it is worth noting that the team management and players have been exemplary at keeping their feelings on the subject well-hidden, as well as pointing out that they also made mistakes in the game that cost them just as dearly as Poite's.

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
16 Sept 2013, 15:54
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16 Sept 2013, 15:54#2

It's very useful to find an article where you find your thoughts so well reflected. It saves me lot of time of thinking and writting in English

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:13
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16 Sept 2013, 16:13#3

 Good article ! Unfortunately a lot of people are too full of self righteous indignation to see that this is right on the money , like the boks their fans dont take perceived injustices too well either.To pillory a man once again like this is shameful and on the nose .If he screwed up it means hes human ,not a cheat or someone worthy of some of the revolting death threats etc Personaly theres nothing I could or would do about bismarks first card , thats not my concern its the refs call .

Accordingb to some saffas Bryce Lawrence deserved to die , notb the Aussies though who strangely thought he did a fine job ? Hardlythe height of sportsmanship is it ? I was taught all onfield decisions areb for the ref to make ,being a good Captain meant you would point out stuff and defend your team but never would or should you threaten the ref on or off the field . I see more and more violence directed at refs in junior and indeed all amatuer grades to the point where its hard to find anyone willing to do it .And thats whats really shameful ,good people doing a tough job for the love of it being threatened with violence .

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:25
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16 Sept 2013, 16:25#4
Very convenient really. I agree with the bit about hounding the ref....this guy was just incompetent and massively manipulated by the AB players....let him live the rest of his life in quiet anonymity, we don't want anything ugly. - But much as the Boks were rattled by several very poor calls, NZ seemed to delight in playing Poite like a violin. The Springboks still do this old school....they play the rules and expect the ref to catch the other team if it infringes. NZ are constantly trying to tilt things in their favour. It may be effective, but it's scheming and too reminiscent of the worst soccer tactics. It is in effect cheating.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:52
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16 Sept 2013, 16:52#5
Mozart I virtually never agree with you on issues - but here I share your viewpoints on the issue 100%
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Sept 2013, 16:52
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16 Sept 2013, 16:52#6
Mozart I virtually never agree with you on issues - but here I share your viewpoints on the issue 100%
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:02
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16 Sept 2013, 17:02#7

If  Mozart and Clevermike are in agreement then something is wrong. Thus, we simply have to ignore them both on this occassion as it must be some sort of system virus, lol

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:05
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16 Sept 2013, 17:05#8
Yes but I don't agree with Mike agreeing with me!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:13
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16 Sept 2013, 17:13#9

Ok then, things are back as they should be, lol. I was worried there for a minute.

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:26
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16 Sept 2013, 17:26#10

 Mozart there you go blaming the ABS for the refs call ? and you talk to me about integrity ? Do your team just roll over for the ref and play victim like you ? How very sad and unmanly ! This is my real beef its not so much bismark being stupid enough to get done twice [ I suppose maybe Messam pulled his elbow into his own throat ? } but this incssant whining from bok fans after every game they lose about how its ALLWAYS the refs fault . Getb over yourself cos your not as impartial as you would like to think Mozart ,as your blaming the ABS shows your on a par with bean head who at least can claim retardation .

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:30
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16 Sept 2013, 17:30#11

Moz your reply to Mike is the funniest thing I have read in ages....snorted a bit of coffee out of my nose when I read that! Brilliant!

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:33
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16 Sept 2013, 17:33#12

in NZ the ref is also seen as part of the game...so we can sit here and harp about how we were cheated or we can take leaf out of the AB playbook and try to be more street smart.

 

we can go on and on about this truth be told if you remove the bad calls the boks were not on the same level as the AB not by a country mile. meyers bad selections, the breakdown louw was schooled (AGAIN) by a proper open sider and morne steyn is a disgrace to all flyhalfs not to mention old zane being at his robotic best.

 

so before we start throwing the kitchen sink at a ref lets rather take the game as meant to be taken on the chin and move on. meyers game plan is once again shown to be a problem....

 

CANT FEED THE AB BALL AND EXPECT TO KEEP THEM SCORELESS OLD HEINEKEN

 

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:42
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16 Sept 2013, 17:42#13
As long as it's only coffee in your nose Blu!
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
16 Sept 2013, 17:48
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16 Sept 2013, 17:48#14

 Now even Jean Luc would see the logic in that mr Carpet ! Allmost Vulcan like !

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
16 Sept 2013, 19:33
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16 Sept 2013, 19:33#15

old heineken should not live long and prosper :P

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