17 Sept 2014, 01:54#2
Ian Hunter.
All you need to know really
FOForeverArizona
Club Pro580 posts
FOForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
17 Sept 2014, 03:38#3
Frans hast played 15 in a while Dikkes,so we cant really rate him against any of these.Never mind,guess you had a brain fart,its ok it happens.Just seem to happen with you a lot.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Sept 2014, 10:32#4
Tin soldier I know you are too thick to comprehend the obvious so the less I say the better for dealing with pretenders is never a productive way to pass the time.
Do us all a favour and put your name in one of your bullets....my guess is you could not even get that simple task right
Left right left. .....poor little man
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Sept 2014, 10:38#5
My top 5 . . .
1. Cheslin Kolbe
2. Willie le Roux
3. Pat Lambie
4. Jesse Kriel
5. Jaco Taute
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2014, 10:51#6
I am afraid Kolbe will not last in the 15 man format of the game. He is just too small to be effective and is going to be found out in defense. I will turn 1 nd 2 aroud and wait for Super 15 next year to see how he shapes up.
Willie had one rather poor game in all the tests he played in and now suddenly he needs to eb replaced - I find that rather funny.
PAPakie
Captain17,321 posts
17 Sept 2014, 11:08#7
1. Willie le Roux
2. Cheslin Kolbe
3. Pat Lambie
4. Andries Coetzee
5. Frans Steyn
Kriel looked like an exciting runner in the only game I've seen him so far, but that's not enough to make a call for me. So I'll go with Steyn because he was more than decent when he played there. Not too excited about the rest of them. SP Marais shows glimmers of promise but he's too much of a mixed bag at the moment. Coetzee seems to have a good allround set of skills and a good rugby brain as well.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Sept 2014, 11:20#8
Yes, I'm expecting a lot of opposition to Cheslin Kolbe because of his size but I think he offers enough on attack to offset any perceived defensive frailties.
Realistically, I don't expect Heyneke Meyer to pick Kolbe as the Springbok fullback because Meyer has always been a bit obsessed with size, but if it was me, I'd give Kolbe at least a few tests to prove himself.
I think the Springboks missed an opportunity with Gio Aplon and again, I'm sure that was because he was seen as a defensive weakness because he was too small but Gio was a very courageous defender and I'd back him to make a try-saving tackle ahead of Willie le Roux any day.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2014, 11:50#9
Rooinek
I am not cutting out Kolbe - but would like to see how he goes next year in Super 15. Hpowever, I do not entirely agree with you on Aplon. He ahd opportunities to play for the Springboks and showed zero. Those opportunities were few - but if they come the way of players they have the limited time to stake their claims. Must admit Aplon was always better than Kirchner - but then the latter had a Blue Bulls contract to enhance his claim.
JEJeromeV
Club Pro492 posts
17 Sept 2014, 14:03#10
1.Cheslin Kolbe
2.Willie Le Roux
3.Jesse Kriel
4.Frans Steyn
5.Pat Lambie
I genuinely think Cheslin Kolbe is the best SA fullback to ever be produced after Brent Russell. Kolbe's flair and sidestepping is not the only aspect of his game it is also his ability to control the game well by kicking into space. I do see people compare Kolbe with Aplon a lot but I think he is far more unique as a player and has more to offer than Aplon partly because he is more physically stronger than Aplon was. What Kolbe has contributed in the CC, 7s and JWC is really top class but he didn't really play as well in Super 15 mainly because he was played out of position on the wing at times having said that I think we haven't seen the best of him yet at Super 15 but the best is yet to come if he continues to play at fullback. If Kolbe does not get a chance to play for the boks one day it would be a serious waste of talent.
Willie Le Roux is a colossal player that really did spark a new dimension within the springboks backline last year on the wing, he is a inspirational player for the Cheetahs and Springboks. My thoughts on a wider scale is that Kolbe does have strengths and weaknesses in his games just like Le Roux although I have seen more weaknesses in Le Roux games this year particularly in the springboks at fullback. In his recent matches this year Le Roux couldn't handle the pressure from the opposition and his tactical kicking has been poor from what I am use to seeing from a standard fullback, I can only hope that he does improve on the issue. To conclude I think Kolbe is a better fullback at this stage but Le Roux is a better winger from what I've seen.
That's my view on the topic if you disagree I'd like to see you're response below.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Sept 2014, 16:19#12
Dave
Marais has been very average this year.
I would rate them as follows:-
Willie, Kriel, Coetzee, Taute and Visser.
17 Sept 2014, 16:51#13
Willie, Kolbe, Kriel, Lambie, Taute, Beyers, Marais, Coetzee, Visser and finally Frans Steyn.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
18 Sept 2014, 02:45#14
Gotta say i am surprised by the love Kolbe is getting on here.
You guys really rate him that highly? Not dissing, just sorta surprised.
It just worries me when they are that small.
Can we all agree that Willie is granite under a high ball...most solid i have seen, since probably for ever!?
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Sept 2014, 03:11#15
I like kolbe but not as a 15, he is too small for 15. Wing is hi s spot
JEJeromeV
Club Pro492 posts
18 Sept 2014, 08:44#16
Sorry I differ from you. My opinion on the criticism Kolbe often gets about size is that it doesn't play a big part of a deficiency because he has ways to counter it time and time again. Cheslin Kolbe's body physique and strength is good enough to compete at test level, the size of a player is not relevant when there is strength. Gio Aplon is a player that was more skinny, he didn't have a good body physique with not much strength which is why he failed to impose himself at test level, Kolbe is not the same.
TTThe_Truth
Club Pro471 posts
TTThe_TruthClub Pro471 posts
18 Sept 2014, 12:11#17
What an idiotic thread!
How can you compare those players, if they haven't even played at the same level... Someone who performs well at CC level against the queens is not a test player because of that one good performance.
There is a huge difference between CC level and test rugby!
Catch a wake up! T#@t!, or was it Pr|c|<!
18 Sept 2014, 12:38#19
Well Truth considering your self confesssed supeiority complex. How about you stop calling ppl idiots (even tho theirs nothing techniquley wrong with this thread, sounds like your projecting some anger issues). And create some threads your self genius.