CLclevermike
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22 Oct 2014, 22:55#2
Seb
That really is funny. Looking at the video I saw there is a lot of Extracts from the Who wants to be a Millionaire Show. Is that programme still running in England?
I regularly watch the show on BBC enterrtainment - but got the impression is is old shows being repeated.
Just a quaetion though - is the En glish schooling system worthless - if people do not know th e answer to easy questuions -then it must be.
Tonight the following question was asked for 250 000 pounds:-
Which English queen married prince George of Denmark?
A Mary IB Mary IIC AnneD Victoria
The aswer was simple :-
Mary I married Philip II of Spain - Bloody Mary Mary II married William of OrangeVictoria married Albert of Saxe-Coburg Gotha Anne was the right answer.
Bloody Mary was a daughter of Henry VIII - him with the right idea to deal with difficult women - chop their heads off. She was succeeded by Elizabeth I in 1558.
Mary II married William of Orange and was installed as Queen after the invasion by the Dutch and James II was dethroned. She reigned until 1694 and was succeeded by her husband as William II of England. William and Mary II was childkless and William was succeeded by her sister Anne.
Anne had 9 children - but none lived longer than 10 years. On her death the throne passed to George of Hanover - who became George I
Now that really is a simple answer to the 250 000 pound question - what a joke.
By the way I knew all the answers of all the questions before that also.
How come I know more about English history than the English know themselves.
22 Oct 2014, 23:34#3
Your not an Anglophile are ya Mikey ? Good one Seb ! When you just know you damn well shouldnt laugh thats when it strikes eh ? Was on a CSMs parade as a young recruit when the Company Sargeant Major looks at my mate next to me one Vinny Totaro and says to him "what the feck are you grinning about Totaro ?"....."Sir I just told meself a joke in me head like ,one I aint ever heard before "sir !"........that was the end of me !
23 Oct 2014, 00:08#4
Mike, it might surprise you but most Schools do not have that period of History on their syllabus these days, I am sorry to say. I wasn't even taught it in my day, I knew all that by my own reading whilst I was still a Primary School kid. We study massive chunks of History but with no real Chronology; whilst at University I really did argue that we should teach kids the subject from the start and work our way through, never overlapping as we sometimes do these days.
But we have a heck of a lot to learn and a subject such as the Reformation or even the Industrial Revolution can take an entire School Year in itself. So, when one takes into consideration that most kids drop the subject in the third year of Secondary School, well, you don't have many years to get the subject across.
I would make it compulsory to take as a core subject, alongside Maths and English.
SASaffolk
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23 Oct 2014, 00:13#5
Mike I would not have a clue what the answer to that question is as I don't have the faintest interest in who was king or who married who back then and nor would I expect my son to know the answer.
Just because you have an interest in meaningless history does not mean we all share your path
23 Oct 2014, 00:37#6
Ooh well History isn't meaningless ! That was a tad hurtful !!!
But no, most people wouldn't know that answer. They aren't taught it.
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23 Oct 2014, 01:13#7
The history of kings and Queens is one big yawn factor. Historical battles etc is a different matter.
23 Oct 2014, 01:15#8
Without Kings and Queens, you didn't really get a lot of the Battles
I could make it fun....!
CLclevermike
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23 Oct 2014, 05:30#9
Saffex
Unfortunately History is not meaningless - it is what makes us have what we have today. I mentioned or instance George of Hanover. Because he could not speak English he appointed the first Prime Minister in Engalnd and today many countries in the world have Prime Ministers.
If you trace history carefully you would also know that George III was in Government at the time of the American War of Independence - that Hanover remained part of Britain until Napoleon took it over and was part of the scenario about the Napoleontic wars and afterwars in 1866 beca me part of the Kingdom of Prussia. Prussia became the most powerful state In Germany and in 1872 took control of the German Empire. 40 years later it was that Empitre who was the key to World War 1 and later World War 2.
CLclevermike
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23 Oct 2014, 05:51#10
Wardad
I am no Anglophile - no more about European History than most - also SA History and also in respect of World history - that formed part of the environment in which we lived.
I can also be nasty - was at a rugby match in Durban and when one player handled the ball - I told a kid next to me that his ancestrors had Captain Cook for dinner. The kid laughed his head off - and was still laughing after the match.
However, that is not all the type of questions asked. In recent programmes they asked a question about Ne Zealand about which city was on South Island in New Zealand. They listed four cities and the only one on the South Island was Christchurch - the participant did not know the answer. On a question on Australia - they asked which Australian state surrounds the Capital Territory. The fool did not know it is New South Wales - and answered Victoria.
One recent question was in which country Biarritz is situated and the fool did not know it is in France. How did I know? because Biarritz has a rugby team in the Top 14 teams in France.
Study Rugby and you would have a lot of answers as well.
By the way my Grandparents hated England with a vengeance because of the Anglo Boer War when many of their relatives died in Concentration Camps - I was b rought up in that environment and would never call myself an Anglophile.
23 Oct 2014, 08:03#11
Tongue in cheek Mikey , us Maoris have fought a war or 2 against the English too .History is the biz tho , and was that the mad king George ?
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23 Oct 2014, 09:38#12
Wardad George III ruled the UK from 1760 to 1820. Towards the end of his reign he suffered from dementia - probably Alzheimers or arenic poising causing Alzheimers - and his son George became the Prince Regent - later to be King George !V of England
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23 Oct 2014, 10:12#14
Oh so the kings and queens of Britain dictated the battles of the world did they?
23 Oct 2014, 10:21#15
Brilliant post sabastien! Flippin' funny!!!
Mike, your first post was ridiculously self righteous! Tell me, without Google, who were Jan Van Riebeeck's parents? Who is Reinette Naudé? What was the name of the man that killed FW De Klerk's wife?
I bet you would have no idea without the internet. You just happen to know one little bit of England's history, and now you are trying to flaunt it. No man!! That was your least impressive post ever!
23 Oct 2014, 10:35#16
Very funny!! Cracked myself.
23 Oct 2014, 11:20#17
No, Saffex.
Kings, Queens, Sultans, Emporers, Empresses etc etc...they dictated how many Wars the world over were started, were won and were lost.
With History, you have to have a beginning and work your way to a conclusion. I'm afraid your boring bits are often the catalyst for something you find interesting many years hence. And it all needs to be studied, not just the juiciest bits in isolation
And yes, sometimes the English Kings and Queens have started many a foreign War, or certainly been the catalyst, either by accident or design.
King George III has never had a certain medical diagnosis placed upon him. The most likely was always suggested to be Porphyria. He was a very poorly man. The Prince Regent, I am afraid, was a very poor King.
And yes, biltongbek, History is subjective. Mike doesn't always get things right.....I have pointed that out to him on more than one occasion !! I was an Historian before illness put a stop to furthering my career...I was set to become a History Professor, so I do know something of the subject. The key is to not practice bias. Easier said than done sometimes, but a good Historian must try to avoid it at all costs. Look at all sides of the situation and all the facts before forming an opinion. And, even if you still stick with your opinion, sometimes you find you are less harshly inclined to think badly at the end of your research. But not always
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23 Oct 2014, 11:36#18
Bluebok
Sorry - I do not use the Internet to come up with answers on issues - I know history quite well. Howevr, it apparently is a neglcted subject in schools and so is Geography That really was the point I was trying to make.
I do not only know English history - I know history as a subject quite well and was not trying to flaunt it here - I was just reacting to the seb inut and saw some dioe's being listed on "Who wnts to be a Millionaire" and commented on that show on channel 120 last night.
Sorry - not everybody is interested in history - and I was nottrying to flaunt my knwledge of history - I was ctually asking people in England why they doo not know their own history - and whether the preogamme is still running in England and what we see now is merely repeats.
It is not only historic questions asked on that programme though - one recent question on the relevant show was :-
What is the grasslands in Southermn Africa called:-
A PrairiesB SteppesC VeldtD Pampas
Prairies - North AmericaSteppes - RussiaPampas - Argentinia
The answer was not correct.
In any event - sorry i I upset you.
23 Oct 2014, 16:24#19
Not upset Mike, just an observation. I don't take such things personally. So its all good.
I actually like certain aspects of history, wars, especially WW2, are fascinating for me! They bring out the best and the worst of mankind. The inbred royal family however, are boring!
CLclevermike
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23 Oct 2014, 18:46#20
bluebok
Kings and Queens used to govern countries - nowadays they are just figure-heads with very little consequence.
Incidentally my recollections of WW2 and its immediate aftermath was that you could not buy rice - it just was not available - you had to buy mielierys - something I hated and never ate it sbsequently. There wwere no toys for children either.
My father was a farmer and we struggled financially through those years. Wool prices were ridiculous - the Government bought it up at a pittance to provide wool to the UK factories at subsidised prices and many frmers vitually starved and had to liv off their farm produce - they could not afford the most basic commodities.
I was 5 years old when King George VI visited SA and can remember how my mother insisted that we go and see the King during the visit. I remember a White train drawn by a Black locomotive going through the Rivewrsdale station and stopping a bit later and the White train then arrived. A neighbour put my brother and myself on the platform roof and the king and Queen was about 2 meters from where we layed. He wore a White uniform and the Queen a flowery dress and funny hat.
A number of local dignitaries was introduced to the King and Queen and my parents were amongst those. I laughed when I saw their efforts to bow and curtsy to the king and queen - was too funny for us as children.
For us food and toys - or deficiencies of those - were imp ortant and stuck in our minds.