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Game on Saturday - Comments on the game

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES120 VIEWS· 18 Aug 2014, 08:33
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2014, 02:00
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18 Aug 2014, 02:00#1
Correction. The scrum was pealed from the loosehead, the side that if anything should be stronger. That was the side that had Lood pushing behind the Beast. Those are facts. The tighthead side had to hold and Jannie and Bakkies just managed that under enormous pressure. Then when Malherbe was on for his scrum, he cracked horribly, falling inwards. The Bargies got a penalty and a late chance to tie the match. Those are the facts.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 08:33
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18 Aug 2014, 08:33#2

Both Meyer and De Villiers said the conditions thee match was played under were atrocious and De Villiers said it was the worst conditions he played under in his long career as a professional player.  I must agree - I cannot remember ever watching a game live or on TV where a game was played when it was hailing when the national anthems were being sung.


Wet conditions are a great leveller in games and there is no doubt that it is at the same time a leveler insiofar as outcome is concerned.   One do not have to look far to prove that truth - just watch the game between the Wallabies and the All Blacks were played on Saturday - the field was wet and playing conditions difficult, but not half as bad as the case was in the Pretoria game.  The outcome a draw without any tries being scored.


The question is how does it affect player performances.   Some players - especially those with dubious performance records in any event - perform even less efficiently in such conditions.   Others who normally plays well, do not adjust at all and there performances goes down the drain.    Very few players in fact thrive under those conditions. 


In general the situation in fact is that such conditions are not a good enough basis to determine whether players are suitable for the positions they were selected to play in.  In reading the comments on this site - it seems as if only some players played well and the younger players in the Springbok team are the real cause of the problems encountered on Saturday.


That would have been a fair assessment if the experienced players performed better.  Looking at the game from a broader perspective - there were very few players sin the SA team that performed satisfactorily - only the loosies in fact can go largely without being criticized.   Suddenly what happened on Saturday is a career-defining norm for some players and not for others.


Bearing in mind the above I think that Meyer selected the best team in his view for the Saturday test and he puts his faith in the players he selected - I think it will be wrong for Meyer to change his team because of what happened on Saturday.  Many fingers are being pointed at the younger players - yet very few of the older ones covered themselves in glory as well.   In any event to select a team on the basis of weather conditions is a fallacy and would be a greater problem on the field of play if the conditions turns out to be fine and very playable.  


I  feel that the team should only have minor changes.   Put Matfield on the bench and start with De Jager and Etzebeth at lock and forget about changing the rest of the team.   I may be wrong - but I think that is exactly what Meyer is going to do in any event.        

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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
18 Aug 2014, 09:07
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18 Aug 2014, 09:07#3
I agree Mike. Would be a tough call to drop anyone from any of the four four teams based on the weekend performance.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 13:29
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18 Aug 2014, 13:29#4
 Mozart and his groupie is to dense to respond to this issue and they are all on about their own stupid agenda.   That is the sum-total of what one can say about their faut-finding.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Aug 2014, 14:18
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18 Aug 2014, 14:18#5
 
Must admit Mike ... I'm a little worried after watching that performance.

Our scrum was decimated ... we lost line out ball ... we were put under pressure at the break down and lost a lot of turnover ball there ... especially with their counter ruck surprising us every time.

For the 2nd best team on the planet vs the 12th ranked team, I expected a lot more from our boys.

I know the conditions weren't exactly tailor made for clinical rugby but still we should have been a lot better than we were.

If we had the elderly geriatrics Meyer's so fond of we would have lost that match.

The Bokke under Meyer are in a lot of trouble.

   


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 14:33
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18 Aug 2014, 14:33#6
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Even though conditions were to blame for some aspects of our performance - the problem started with our scrumming - which was no good in any event.   This is nothing new - there were problems in June in evidence already and also in Super 15.
Mozart wrote that Jannie is our "national treasure"  - but Jannie has been awful in some matches.   Beast at times were awful as well.   Although the props generally are to blame for poor scrumming - we must not forget t role of the locks either.   Our scrumming in general in the first half was worse than it was in the second half when Etzebeth replaced Bakkies.
I have my reservations about our prop situation - Beast still do something outside the scrums - Jannie does bugger-all.   
The team that this year demolished the Sharks scrums was the Lions - who had the best scrumming record in Super 15.   Is it not time to look at their players to replace the present props?   I like Van der Merwe a lot and I also have a high opinion of Thomas du Toit.   On the tighthead side Jannire s becoming  a real disaster area as well.   So we need to look at that one as well.
I really am not worried about the line outs - we lost two balls on own throw and gained one on their throw-in.  Given the atrocious conditions that was not a disaster area at all.   It could have been much worse than that.           
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2014, 17:30
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18 Aug 2014, 17:30#7
 Correction - the scrum was not peeled fro the left - both sides went backwards and Jannie was penalized for poor scrumming as well. Mozart has "lomp" on the brain and refuse to see reality.  How can anyone take anything he says about player performance and assessments seriously?   The man is as thick as a plank when it comes to rugby and being biased as well - what can one really expect from him.   Besides that if I was an Pumas fan I would I love Jannie's tackling figures as well - 5 attempted tackles - missed 3.   What has happened to Mozart's national treasure putting in a poor performance?        
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