Get serious....bring back Jake for a run at 2015

Still want to see how Boks go under Meyer when at full strength.

Getting Jake back is probably a pipe dream - they might well have earmarked Allistair!!  

Moz I was wanting Meyer to have a fair shot. Last year it was so many players moving on, Morne's goal kicking implosion  and again injuries. This year terrible injuries and also players like Bekker and JP movong on. Honestly what coach would be delivering all that demanding fans want under these circimstances.

I would have no problem at all with Jake as coach but honestly dont believe SARFU will eat humble pie.  Things are not normal here in SA.  Decisions are not rational etc. Merit does not reign as a principle. It's a huge negative.

White will never coach SA again. He do not want to coach a team where there is interference in team selections and where team selection is not base on merit but the color of your skin. Also then there is the the Act that gives any minister sweeping powers to interfere with any sports team selection and change as he sees fit. 

The main reason we are having problems is injuries and players leaving. One has to factor that in.

No coach, could produce great rugby in the circumstances. Having appointed Meyer give him a fair shot. If the rugby being played by the end of the year with a decent player compliment is poor okay.

However I would count it  a miracle if SARFU asked Jake back. Are they big enough to do that?

 Meyer would probably have to finish behind Argentina to lose the coaching job this year.

DomMike, do you have any lies for us today as a matter of interest?

The Meyer way is set in stone. There is no scope for a plan B. Part of that way is selecting players who fit. I suspect a player like Willie was a hard selection for him to make. My guess is his hand was forced to by external pressures. Meyer will persist with his plan and players no matter what.........and in the process he will take Bok rugby down with him.

The man is clearly out of touch at all levels

I have said it before and I will say it again..SA has never had a better coach than Jake White. I was not old enough to remember Kitch Christie but since I can remember, Jake has been head and tails above the rest. Him and Eddie should never have been let go.

Jake had to deal with political pressures everyday. What could have been had he been left to do his job like every other countries coaches in this world! No other country has to face the shit an SA coach does. Its bullshit and that is what is holding us back.

No coach in the world has a rugby brain like Jake in my opinion. AB's dont have the best coaches, they just have phenomenal players with awesome skillsets. Its a much easier task working with that and when every provincial team employs the same style of rugby as the kiwi teams and Aussie teams do. Kiwi's just do it better than the Aussies and thats why the Aussies teams are under performers in Super rugby. Thats why Aussie v AB's test are often more exciting thatn that of a Bok v AB. Its because they both play the same type of game, run from all over, but AB's just do it better with stronger, better players! Jake has put more structure in place with the Brumbies and look what a brilliantly balanced team they are now.

No two teams in SA play the same. Sharks have a great mix of forward play and backs(usually) and this makes them our most balanced team. Bulls are all about forward dominance. Stormers are defensively structured with almost no attack to speak of except counter. Cheetahs are helter skelter and it works now. Kings and Lions have kak players! Jake took all of that and made a championship team. He was the reason we enjoyed watching one of the best Bok centre pairings in JDV and Jaque Fourie for so many games. Remember, these guys were shifted from wing and fullback respectively. He built that team that went on to become core players for even the coach of today!

No matter what anyone says Jake is one of the best, if not the best coach in world rugby today. Fuck Jakes record, he was in a transformation period. He needed time. He needed years and we would have reaped the rewards. PDV had a great record against AB's. Does this mean he was a great coach?? See how deceiving stats can be.

As I said before, Jake and Eddie should have been given a 12 year contract. No involvement from the outside. Next 3 world cups are yours, the only request is that you make SA proud and I guarantee you, they would have!! How can you throw away a rugby brain like that.

I hear talk of Mallett..He was a prick man. He was like a Graham Henry. He had a championship team and great bunch of players that it had to click sometime! Hell, Henry still almost tripped at the final hurdle again! Same as Mallett. Minute he started trying his own thing instead of letting the team select itself, he crashed and burned!

Look if we are serious the answer is obvious....appoint  the guy who has the highest probability of winning. All the other stuff, giving Meyer a chance, finding a mythical coach who can do the job.....that's all an indulgence. It's not tough minded, it's not how winners think. 

Cut through the clutter. White has proven with the Brumbies he can make it happen....proven he can win...using two different playing styles.

I want to win,  period. If we want to be fair, put together a lucrative severance package for Meyer. 

I think Meyer made a few mistakes early on when he showed too much favouritism towards his Bulls players but he seems to be improving on that score, so right now, I think Heyneke Meyer deserves an extended run and I wouldn't swap him for anyone.

If, however, Meyer had to start picking the likes of JacPot, Werner Kruger and Zane Kirchner again, then I'd want Nick Mallett as Bok coach without question. Naka Drotske would be my next choice after Meyer and Mallett and after that - in order - I'd probably look at the other S15 and CC coaches, followed by an overseas coach, local club coaches, schoolboy coaches, Pieter de Villiers, Mickey Mouse, Baboon-ou and, finally, if he was the last rugby coach on earth, I'd consider the self-important and opinionated wanker who couldn't even manage to win a game at home against the hapless Southern Kings on their first ever tour with his table-topping Brumbies team at odds of about 47-1 on!

Improving on what? A mere win over Australia in the TRC and almost a embarrasing loss to the Argies.  

I meant improving on his ratio of Bulls to non-Bulls in the Springbok team.

I wouldn't say Meyer showed to much favourtism for bulls, I would say he wants to completely play the entire bulls team. The only guys that he included in the team were the guys on his radar that he wanted to recruit for the bulls. 

I really think that Jake is a great Manager and gets the most from his squad and he knows how to plan ahead and get the most out of avarage players. He also knows how to change his game plan depending on what players he have.

I wonder if Hougaard would have been a better player under him rather than just to become a Dupreez clone. I think Meyer has a template for each player and that he either picks players that matches that template or forces them to change into those players. For me that is his biggest weekness. 

He can do that at the bulls because he has the players from age group rugby and over time they fit quite well into his overall strategy. The bulls have become a more attacking team now that he has left. 

The question we should ask, why not Ludeke, I know he had a bad run at the Lions but he has won 2 Super rugby titles. If all go's well he will have his third this year. 

I think that with coaches such as Meyer, White, Mallett and Ludeke. We have some amazing tallent at our disposal but what pisses me off is that the Suits do not know how to make the most of them. No Mallet is just a commentator and White is making the Aussies stronger.

I'm trying real hard to give Meyer my support but he's making it very difficult for me to maintain it. 

My faith in him will be severely tested if we're beaten by the Samoans this weekend and let's face it, his latest team announced a little earlier doesn't exactly fill me with confidence ... it smacks of stupidity.

One would swear he knows nothing about rugby the way he's carrying on.

We nearly lost to the Scots because of the wrong attitude. Writing them off prior to the match was foolish and unprofessional. The coach should have seen to it that we run on pumped, ready to destroy them but we went on with the attitude that all we needed to do was pitch up.

I would take Jake White or Nick Mallet in a heartbeat.

In fact Mickey Mouse is also starting to look like a better option.

Gooooooooooooo Bokke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can provide any evidence on that? It seems some changed were forced due to injury. Vermaak and Basson were tampons this year. One week in 3 weeks out with injury. KSide Show Bob chucking off to France. We got the Bulls 10 center pairing and one wing as our backline. Forwards was Spoes Botha  and Kruger with Chilliboy on the bench. Scrumhalf Vermaak. Vermaak wasn't bothered with playing for Lions. Made the move to the Bulls did well couple of games and became a Springbok. Some players being doing well for couple of seasons and got ignored.

So what are you saying Spoon?

The hapless bulls in the Bok squad are acceptable to you?

You foget that Hougat and Kirchner would also be part of the mix had they been fit.

Cleancut I was referring to your Bulls to Non Bulls ratio improving. I want evidence on that. While I was busy typing my reply you and king posted. No reply button here

Mozart SA rugby public would never go with Drotske cause he dropped that pass with a open try line which would have brought up the century against Wales in that 96 - 13 beating. 

I rate White as something special. Chances of him coaching our national team is highly unlikely. The goverment won't allow him the opportunity.

I also rate Mallet as something special. How could I not. His record speaks for itself. He too will not coach the Bokke again. He has no interest in coaching anything South African.

Drotske to me is just not an option. I would never consider him nor useless Ludeke or Ackerman at this stage in time..

Please don't even think about throwing Coetzee into the mix.

It seems we have no option but to endure Meyer and his conservative approach.

Suddenly I'm not feeling to cheerful about Bok rugby. We have the talent but no one to lead us to world domination.

We dodge a bullet when they chose Peter De Villier over Allister Coetzee. 

Its simple, if its between two previous coaches Mallett and Jake, Mallett  at 71% is better than Jake at 67%, there is no getting away from that fact.

Mallett is a rugby man through and through, when he opens his mouth it makes rugby sense. White never came accross as rugby smart, he always had to draw on others - look no further than Eddie Jones. Jake did not win a WC without the services of another national coach. Jake would not have achieved that alone and therein lies the difference

 snapster part of being a good coach is getting competent assistants. 

Why did the Brumbies employ him. How come the brumbies have done so well? He has to be a decent coach. The Baby boks won a wc whilst he was coach. Where has he failed. You conveniently ignore the fact that Jake had built a very strong side and post WC would have won a lot of tests. 

I do agree re Mallet the guys knows his stuff.

 A coach is judged on what he can deliver, not what those around him offer. White was piss poor in the year leading up to the WC, his record was 24%. He should have been sacked. He did nothing regarding players other than select the obvious. He was shocking when it came to selecting the extended squad. Look no further than Albert v/d Bergh.

The Brumbies have achieved nothing under Jake, they did not make the top 6 last year.

This year they are doing better - topping log although have played more games. last year was jakes first what do you expect!!!

Missing 12 players he beat the Lions. Man give the guy some credit! Brumbies are not so stupid as to appoint a guy unless he was good. No affirmative action in Oz.

This years S15 is not decided yet and the Brumbies beat the Lions dirttrackers - big deal

Jake was exceptional at selecting an extended squad. He did not just hand test caps out. Players knew they had to be earned. He had other pressures on him that held him back from doing what would have been best for SA rugby.

It actually hurts a bit to see guys doubt Jake. He was the best thing to ever happen to SA rugby! He breathes rugby and he should have been given free reign over SA rugby!

At the end of the day, all those Lions guys are internationals. Brumbies were a depleted provincial team. Take nothing away from that win.

We will always have a devide in his supporters vs his knockers but no one can deny Jake is a great coach. Ordinary coaches dont win world cups. Thats why Mallett never came close. He is a prick man! He doesn't have half the rugby nouse of Jake. Not even comparable! One is a rugby man and one is a talker!

"Ordinary coaches dont win world cups."

Can't agree, SmallCock. Joke White won a RWC and he was a very ordinary coach . . . at best!

World Cups are not the be all and end all of rugby in the first place and, given the draw of the 2007 RWC where the Springboks were able to win a RWC without playing one of the All Blacks, the Wallabies or the hosts France . . . and we effectively only had to beat England twice . . . a very ordinary coach like Joke White was in fact able to win a RWC (with the help of another overrated and very ordinary coach, Eddie Jones)

I reckon my granny could have coached the Springboks to beat the 2007 England team at a neutral venue . . . which at the end of the day is all Joke really achieved . . . except my granny probably wouldn't have come as close as Joke came to losing to 2nd tier minnows like Tonga and Fiji along the way.

 Was really hoping to log on and see a comment from someone who knows a bit about the game but no. Instead a get crap from an overgrown kid who hates the world for something his parents did when he was little!

Have you ever got anything nice to say about SA rooipoes? Its like you want us to be dominated by NZL and Aus.

I dont care what a fuckwit like you has to say about Jake. He is a well respected coach by rugby men the world over. Im sure he is not gona lose sleep over what some 50+ hasneverbeen, still living with his parents has to say.

Rooipoes, the joke as always!