Global warming slows down

The Economist, which has a long history of supporting Global Warming action, has finally admitted the data does not validate the model projections. More radical warming over the 21st century in the order of 6 degrees centigrade, was typical for these models. Now we find warming has virtually stopped for the last 15 years. And a new government sponsored study in Norway is putting the likely number at less than 2 degrees centigrade.

There have always been many problems with this science. Firstly the work is being done by scientists with every incentive to come up with sensational results. That brings in the big money and makes them rock stars ....stability means they return to being weather predictors back in the back room.

Combine those motivations with the complex models they have to build to predict the climate, with hundreds of equations and parameters, many of which are based on judgement....and you have a witch's brew. The cataclysms these models predicted have become the grist for every politician's mill. And these views are taught as gospel in our schools.

But the model predictions are now falling below the bottom end of the range we were given. They are not predicting reality. And given these models can't be validated in the lab, they have to predict reality.

So we are left with an observed 1 degree centigrade rise over the last century.....but even that is in question because the measurement stations are not the same. And we know the Earth has been warming 0.5 centigrade per century since the diminishing of the Little Ice Age.

So is this evidence enough to load world economies with the huge burden of turning to other fuels? The Economist is finally questioning this imperative. But nobody has yet focused on the real impending danger for mankind.....a massive global population sustained by carbon fuels, which must eventually dwindle.

Man's ingenuity and sensible economic behaviour has given us a temporary reprieve via fracking....but eventually all those billions in cities will have to be fed by an agricultural and distribution system not powered by carbon fuels. At this stage there are no practical answers and a huge catastrophy looms for mankind.

Enjoy your rugby while you can.

 Global warming like macro evoloution is a myth and they both cast very bad reflecions on elements of the academic community.Where oh where is the integrity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do agree our population growth is a huge problem together with planetary degradation. Will the powers that be wake up in time.

Moz its difficult to enjoy the rugby seeing a second string Storers side loosing to these lesser sides. Man what a disappointment all these injuries are. I am however glad my second favourite side the Cheetahs are doing well. I have said for years that Naka was a fine coach but lacked the squad to compete. This year he has done great stuff.

 The population of Iceland was halved during the Little Ice Age, showing cooling is a far more dangerous condition than warming. Today fossil fuels would save us. It's incredible how mankind pours scorn on the very means of our wonderful life.

Yep it is disappointing seeing the team so close.....our average loss is by 5 points, the biggest 8 points. We could easily have won the last two. 

Maybe this week!

global warming has always been a myth as plantery evidence but nasa ext shows that the other planets are having the same amount of temp rise that earth. mars ice caps as example has been shrinking so i doubt your SUV is causing mars's temp rise...the sun had increased solar flare activity and that has effected all the planets in the system.

that being said the global elite has highjacked this to sign the rest of the development world onto the UN's global green policies that in time will destroy economies and will create more poverity that the world has ever seen as in there neo malthusian anti human mindset is bent on population reduction. in short al gore and his cronies has nothing more than thieves and hatched men. one should not waste that i agree on but all forms part of a much bigger agenda.

that aside the world as it stands now can easliy support our current population but they same global warming movement wants to make a piont that somehow humans are bad and should there should be less people in the world

Yeah, I am also of the opinion that global warming is nothing more than a convenient excuse for people with an agenda.

But Beans, no macro evolution??? The evidence is so overwhelming!

this is all under the gise of agenda 21. look it up if nobody believes me.

Rubbish bluebok its a total hoax.

By the way do you know the human genome is over 3 billion letters long. written in a 4 letter alphabet. It has to be in the right order. No possibilty whatsoever of it evolving.

Also Stephen Hawkin is coming under huge stick. This clown is trying to expalin from an atheistic perspctive that the universe arose from nothing and that the laws of gravity did it. As Einstein said nonsense remains nonsense no matter how brilliant the person who utters it.

One of Hawkin's collabarators admitted to Lennox the nothing they are speaking of was not actually nothing so their fundamental problem of where everything came from remains.Of course gravity cant achieve anything if nothing is there. Bwahhahahaha so ludicrous really and Lennox is brilliant at pointing out their many and huge blunders in logic. Lennox by the way is the guy who trounced poor Richard dawkins in these debtes re the God delusional. Even atheists are becoming embarrased by the guy.

Read John Lennox - "God's Undertaker" (has Science buried God) and his a other book "Gunning for God" (Why the new atheists are missing the mark)

The fact is Science is revealing huge evidence of the design in the Universe and only the most foolhardy and obstinate oak can still believe in the fairy tale of evolution.

I caught ou rooitwit out hugely a while back. His big claim was that matter was eternal. Absurd I know but you know ou rooitwit. However Cosmologists are generally agreed the Universe had a begining.

Man its hilarious to see the lengths these atheists will go to try and explain away God.
As Lennox says repeatedly they simply will not look at the evidence - theirs (Atheists)  is a blind faith. Science today is burying atheism. RIP

mucher here is an opportunity for you to distinguish yourself (unlikely to come in matters pertaining to rugby) so how about explaining briefly agenda 21?

Firstly Beans, Stephen Hawking has very little to say regarding evolution, he is an astro physicist. I suspect you are actually speaking about Richard Dawkins. There is planty of science to prove evolution. But you are blurring the line between evolution and religion. You are more than welcome to attack Dawkins on his God Delusion book, there I will not argue with you. Religion is a different argument all together.

Also, I assume by your arguments, that you are in the corner of those that believe the earth is 5-8 thousand years old, and not 4-5 billion years old? All the reliable science points to a very old planet.

Hey Beans, before we go any further down this road, lets agree to keep this a friendly debate, and not attack each other for whatever reason.

No I am talking about Stephen Hawkins I am well aware of who he is etc. He is propounding the universe came fom nothing and there is no God involved. You may want to explain that?

Yes Lennox actually sets a great example in this which I of course find hard to follow. Hahahahahaha

I will get hold of my books and post some gob stoppers for you.

The bible says in the begining God created the heavens and earth. With Cosmologist now agreeing after all these years that the Cosmos had a begining (Matter is not internal)  the bible has finally been proved correct yet again. Further, before we go into the verses that follow, its has said the earth and the heavens had already been created. No one knows how long ago that was.

Bluebok get hold of the books I mentioned. I will post here the name of Lennox's book criting Hawkins. I can assure you they are very though provoking.

Dawin's evolution is finished as a concept. There is massive evidence of design intelligence in the universe - we did not somhow come from nothing and mindless matter eventually formed all this by chance/natural selection. That notion is fast disappearing and being seen to be totally absurd.

Global warming as Moz i spointing out i sanother fraud some academics are willing to go along with but honest ones are exposing it. That does not mean we can ravage the earth to our hearts content with no regard to other life forms etc. We do have serious problems.

Fact is to do science you have to have faith - faith that the universe is intelligble to our minds. Dawkins and all his rubbish cant explain that.

i agree beeno

its also to note that darwin is famous for his eugenicist views and was famous for his obsession to only want to "breed" with his own family causing a massive amount of disorders ext. in short all his views are debunked as beeno has said in the above mentioned posts. he was a madman in his later years. anti human and on top of all one of the biggest racists you will ever know. that fact has been somewhat swept under the rug as they say but darwin's work has received more the lime light than his other very shocking views.

Hey Beans, get me the names of those books, would love to look into them. I have read a few books on evolution, and there is plenty of convincing data proving it. But there are some pretty serious gaps as well, so I am more a less in a position where I am neutral. I think it is important to note that evolution, in my mind anyway, does not have to disprove religion. I have not read the God delusion, but I also have no interest in reading it. Faith is faith. One thing about evolution is that there are absolutely no human (Or mammal) fossils before a certain period in our geological history, not one! Basically, if they cold just find one mammal fossil from that period, or from earlier than that, it would completely disprove evolution, but they cant! Still, I remain open to whatever arguments people can put forward. I prefer to avoid talking religion because people tend to get too emotional, and then start avoiding facts.

Global warming is a massive scam. Of that I have no doubt.

Bluebok I listed two of them. Also google Prof John Lennox whose main field is pure mathematics. He is a thorough gentleman. Heard him speak here in Cape Town 5 times last month. What a treat. He addressed a UCT audience at the Baxter theatre and got a huge ovation.

By the way one huge problem for darwinists is the cambrian explosion where suddently fully fledged life form appear with no fossil records preceeding them. It is mind boggling that these dawinist dinosaurs exist today!!

Sorry i must be more like John is discussing these matters Hahahahahha. Ou rooitwt has fled in terror!! Sometimes I think I am too hard on my old friend rooitwit but he is so funny really.

Lennox's main point actually is that we have to be led by the evidence  - the new atheists are not - theirs is a blind faith not even prepared to consider evidence that cuts across their delusions.

Bluebok, let me give you some really good advice . . . don't bother discussing evolution, physics, religion or the meaning of life with Baboon-ou. He is too stupid and indoctrinated to have any worthwhile opinions on any of those matters. Trust me on this!

Baboon-ou's idea of a "debate" on Darwin's theory on evolution is to say incredibly stupid and ignorant stuff like only the loonies still believe in evolution and then churn out a whole load of ridiculous quotes from this hilarious website.

I'm not even joking. Just go read the drivel they churn out at answersingenesis.org and you'll have a much better idea of Baboon-ou's qualifications when it comes to arguing matters like evolution. The only thing I've ever seen that is potentially more stupid than Baboon-ou's  Young Earth theories on things like the origin of the universe and evolution is carpetmuncher's startling piece of historical revisionism posted above on this very thread.

Note Baboon-ou's side-splitting blunder where he says "No I am talking about Stephen Hawkins I am well aware of who he is" after you've just told him that it's Hawking and not Hawkins. Later he says that "Dawkins and all his rubbish cant explain that" so it's fairly obvious that Baboon-ou hasn't the first clue who either Richard Dawkins or Stepehn Hawking is . . . and you'll find he quite often substitutes "Dawkins" for "Darwin" when he regurgitates his pitifully naive and small-minded claptrap . . . so be warned, you will often be confused if you continue this "debate" with Baboon-ou.

Also note above how Baboon-ou uses quotes from the bible to try to prove the literal biblical version of events. Trust me, he thinks this is a perfectly normal and "scientific" way of putting forward his stupid brainwashed garbage and if you ask him to stop dragging the bible into everything, he'll find some biblical quote to say why the bible is the only point of reference.

Good luck trying to get this idiot to have a rational or reasonable discussion. For Young Earth Creationists like Baboon-ou, there is no discussion and they don't tolerate opposing beliefs. The logical and understandable concept of natural selection over the course of billions of years is hare-brained according to these bible-bashers and they prefer the notion of a magic beard-man waving a wand and creating the known universe in a few days . . . which is apparently perfectly reasonable and backed by science.

The only people who write off the theory of evolution are the lunatic-fringe crackpots, religious fundamentalists and pseudoscientists who have about as much credibility as the Flat Earth Society.

The concept of "Global Warming" has come to incorporate a lot of short-sighted and selfish policies adopted by industrialists who don't give a shit about the health or sustainability of the planet and continue to burn fossil fuels and pollute the environment and the water. It's not just about the average mean temperature at any given point in time, it's about how we disrespect our planet in general . . . and - call it what you will - anyone who thinks we're not harming the planet is as stupid as Baboon-ou . . . assuming that is possible.

 Oh they continue to burn fossil fuels those terrible industrialists. What do you burn in  your Renault AAS? Fresh air? Pathetic hypocrite.

Isee ou rooitwit have a rant full on nonsense as usual. All huff and puff and no substance an dalso misleading folk. I habv eno firm view on the age o fthe Universe for one. What Idid post was some subtantial evidence suggesting the earth etc is younger than thought by some.

Bluebok the books I bought are:

• The God's Undertaker  (Has Science buried God)
• Gunning for God (Why rhe New Atheists are missing the target)
• God and Stephen Hawking
• Seven days tha tdivide the world

As time allows I will give some quotes (

Wish I could simply cut and paste a few (Ou rooitwits few remaing hairs would curl! Hahhahahahaha)

What Lennox does with great ease really is to debunk Hawking’s daft conclusions of his book the Grand Design (Co-authoured in fact with Leonard Mlodinow). They argue that it is the laws of physics, not the will of God, that provides the real explanation as to how the Universe came into being:

Lennox writes (God and Stephen Hawking):

ou rooitwits profound contrbution.

Rooitwit how about commenting on how Hawking blundered logically. Astonishing he could be so lame.

Its always a pity that atheists like rooitwit wont even consider anything presented. Theirs is a blind faith - not willing to look at the evidence.

Wehe! Here we have Baboon-ou, recognized by nearly all posters on this board as one of the stupidest people on the planet, talking about some alleged "logical blunder" made by Stephen Hawking, internationally renowned physicist and best-selling author who is recognized universally as one of the great minds of our time.

Beans, it is my experience that it is in fact Christians that often have blind faith, and can turn their back on outside opinions. I don't like to generalise, but I have found that to be the case in the circles within which I move. Also, it is a bit contradictive of you to say that athiests have blind faith....you can't have fath if you don't believe in a higher power. But I am just being argumentative. I have my own beliefs, just in case you are getting the wrong idea. People from both the athiest camp and the religios camp tend to have their own opinions, which won't change, regardless of what arguments the other proposes. 

Bluebok I refer you to chapters of God's Undertaker where the whole issue of evidence based faith is discussed. Also chapter 4 (Designer universe) where he examines Science and faith.

I agree with you regarding what started it all. There is just no scientific explanation, theory or even long shot stab in the dark to explain what started the universe. It could not have come from nothing! And even if one believes in the big bang, where did that first "God Particle" that "banged" come from? I think people are forced to pick sides in this debate, but I'm inclined to think that somewhere in the middle lies the truth. A little bit of both.

Bluebok I think you are far, far too generous to the aethists. There is no way that nothing created everything. The atheists can wriggle all they like but that God particle, the incredible intelligence being uncovered by science re the Universe all are screaming a message.

No Beans, was specfically refferring to evolution when I said a bit of both. But ja, we talk tomorrow.

Okay micro level possibly yes macro level no.