BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Jan 2014, 09:06#2
Fear of his fragility could b eway over stated. He was under 19 when he played for the Boks. I am sure a lot of conditioning has taken pla ce.As to talent no doubt about it being there in abundance
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Jan 2014, 14:17#4
Agree Mike, I also think Naka over played him and hopefully he realises he must manage Goosen very carefully.Goosen showed before injury great temprement and ability and again one trusts these injuries leave no scars. He should be playing behind a fairly good pack so that will help.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2014, 16:38#5
To me he seemed rather Gaffie like in the NZ test before he was hurt. It might help his confidence not to start out as the goal kicker....that's how Jantjies was nursed back from the brink last year.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:14#6
I'll say it again, Goosen has no future as a flyhalf. in every way he is better suited to fullback. He will follow the same route as others before him, namely Gaffie, Fransie, Monty, Brent, Lambie, Jaco in that they were all - Francois exempted, though he could play 15 - fullbacks forced into being fly halves. He was weak on defence during 2012's Super XV campaign and New Zealand went straight for him; Goosen along with Taute being the route New Zealand used to unhinge us at home that year - and we were dominating them up to that point! Something to take note of. Goosen, being the archetypal ectomorph, has zero physical presence. In fact, it was quite a sobering experience watching Jantjies of all people shoring up his channel after replacing Goosen. The signs are there, hidden in plain sight. All one is to do is look. Look to see, lest we see a repeat of the Lambie story. Long stringing muscle, slight of frame, great turn of speed... Goosen, the ectomorph is perfectly suited to the back three. It's destined by his physiology and I see he has the mentality to thrive in the position. Make note that the Cheetahs backline success has little to do with Goosen. It's down to their genius backline coach. They play just as well no matter who they have had at 10, it's been that way for years now. But note the improved defence with Goosen out and Robert at 12. That's an ominous sign for the Goosen groupies.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:22#7
injuries and WADA are goosens biggest worries.
goosens inability to survive the physical challenges of top level are why im favouring lambie over him at the moment.
if goosen can get on top of the frailties which IMO are a very real concern, then no doubt hes one who can seriously do some damage with all that xfactor potential hes posses.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:22#8
injuries and WADA are goosens biggest worries.
goosens inability to survive the physical challenges of top level are why im favouring lambie over him at the moment.
if goosen can get on top of the frailties which IMO are a very real concern, then no doubt hes one who can seriously do some damage with all that xfactor potential hes posses.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:30#9
X-factor; the siren call that led many a coach and player to their doom. If only it were so simple as a solitary player fighting the battle alone and coming out on top. Have we not noted Quade Cooper? Is Goosen more skillful than Cooper? Definitely not, yet Cooper plays his best rugby when he does less and merely plays as the link that he should be. This isn't eighties rugby. Defences eat up tens who do it all on their own. It just isn't how modern rugby is played and will never be successful. In Morné we have everything we need. He has consistently outshone these pretenders. His record speaks for itself.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:42#10
Sun you really have some warped rugby ideas - and not in a positive way. Goosen a fullback, what rubbish.
He is our best 10 prospect since readmission. If he stays injury free, the Bok 10 jersey will be his for many years.
Any question marks against him against NZ are misplaced given he played that game with an injury he picked up in the Oz game the week before. Goosen was limping early in that NZ game, but I suspect Meyer was desperate to play him
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:49#11
Sun has real insights Dave....he sees beyond the predictable media hype. Even though his view here is very radical, I suspect he is comp letely right.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
12 Jan 2014, 17:50#12
If he is our best 10 prospect, then why the blowout against New Zealand? Why the Cheetahs looking more solid without him? Are his weak defensive showings at Super level not important? I saw nothing of Goosen limping early in the New Zealand test, rather I saw brittle nerves hiding inside a brittle shell. Taute and Goosen blew that test, yet more excuses. Poor form and poor character in excusing the errancy of Le Roux at 15 and now Goosen. Bias, plain and simple. If you wish to back Goosen, then that is your business, but there is no evidence to sway my decision in joining you, not yet anyway.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jan 2014, 18:02#13
Blow out against NZ, what complete rubbish.......why because he missed the odd kick?
But more to the point, Goosen was injured against NZ
Yeah right Moz, Sun has it right about Goosen being a fullback........that is the biggest load of shit I have read in ages.
Much like the Cheetahs being better with Watts at 10.......I could not make this shit up
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jan 2014, 20:03#16
One has to ask the question, if its not going to be Goosen or Lambie at 10 for the Boks then who the hell will it be?

sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
12 Jan 2014, 20:11#17
Any top quality flyhalf could also be good at fullback, although their is absolutely no point in playing Goosen at 15.
Goosen has the speed of a wing, the passing skills of a scrumhalf and can kick the ball probably further than any flyhalf in the world.
The media in NewZealand were calling him in the next Dan Carter when the Cheetas were on tour. He does not really have any weaknesses i n his game except for being injury prone. His defence might not be great but he is still a kid so sure to get more strength.
Goosen is the best Bok flyhalf since re-admission and it would be a pity if he does not get a good run to prove he is one of the best flyhalfs in the world, if not the best.
Given that South Africa usually do not have that much depth at flyhalf we need him. SA tends to either have running or kicking flyhalfs, rarely an allrounder like Goosen. Timo Swiel is another potential bok flyhalf in the making. It would be great to have these 2 competing for the Bok 10 spot.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jan 2014, 20:22#18
Spot on Shark and to be quite frank I don't ever recall an issue with his defence.
As you say, the only issue is his body holding up.
His break against Oz is just what we want in a 10. Meyer knows it and that's why he latched onto him straight away and even played him against NZ when it was clear early on he was still suffering from the injury he sustained against Oz the week before.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
13 Jan 2014, 12:58#20
Goosen is not even close o the best flyhalf in South Africa since readmission. Yet again, too much hype and emotional content that is miles eschew of reality. He hasn't done anything of note to date. But alas, another three years before the penny drops. This child will never have the physical presence to play at 10 at test level. And kicking the ball further than any other 10? I highly doubt that too. Throw his very nervy temperament into the mix and you have a recipe for disaster. His defence is simply shocking. That the Cheetahs look much better without him says it all! As noted before, minus Goosen and with Robert at 12 and the defensive was markedly better; neigh! the best in their entire Super Rugby history. He will end a 15 due to his slight frame and will prosper there. He has the running skills to thrive at 15 and can conceal his frailties better. I cannot wait to see the snakes come out when it all goes wrong - assuming of course that Meyer will persist with Goosen. For Jantjies himself showed more promise, and we know that Lambie can at least coast 80 minutes in the position. If New Zealand laud him so highly, then why was it that the All Blacks went for both him and Taute? Just as they went for JJ and Lambie in 2011. Pay attention, look at the actions of your enemy, pay no credence to their flattery. They know damn well these players are vulnerabilities! Listen to Master Tzu and maintain your honour!
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Jan 2014, 13:07#21
Ah yeah good one. The lad is 20 and weighs 89 kg and is too slight for 10......what a load of rubbish.
Went for Taute, when was that......but best of all......went for JJ in 2011........keep it up Sun, you are a fountain of informative knowledge!!
Let me guess you think Etzebeth would make a good centre?
AOAdmit One
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AOAdmit OneClub Pro389 posts
13 Jan 2014, 13:28#22
Only injury will prevent this kid from becoming a legend. The only weakness in his game is his propensity to serious injuries. Really sad! He such a rare talent!
KAKalaedFreddie
Club Pro495 posts
KAKalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
13 Jan 2014, 13:35#23
Ooooh, I am so babelaas and the sun is very hot here today.
Daddy (Saffex) You are like most times spot on. Goosen is a damn good 10 by my reconing too. My only problem is he is so injury prone or so it looks becaus ehe is more off the field than on it . The guy is probably the best defending 10 we have unlike Morne who makes some girly attempts to tackle and then misses the whole issue. Lambie is also good and may be getting better this year with Mr. White at the training by the Sharks. Yes I know Daddy you dont like Jake but he is a good coach with lots of skills. Taute should replace that cullid bro of mine at 15. Etsebeth is never a centre but that plank Andries he was a centre and a wing in some games. Daddy did you see there is roumour that matfield is also making a comeback like Mohammed Ali that is a mistake for him because we have more than enough younplayers to make a stand.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Jan 2014, 13:58#24
Ja KaalFreddie........I have seen this pathetic take on Matfield returning.......talk about Bulls and Bok rugby going backwards.
Reading Gavin Rich's book about the Bok coaches and how they are all struck my mad coach disease at some point.......I get the feeling Meyer is starting that slip already by going back to all these washed up hasbeens..........the list is getting longer........Aplon, Fourie, Jean, du Preez, Pienaar, Steenkamp, CJ v/d Linde, Heinke v/d Merwe, Franco v/d Merwe and Bakkies for now........next it will be Matfield, Juan Smith and Schalk Burger.......watch this space
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Jan 2014, 14:09#25
". . . and the defensive was markedly better; neigh! the best in their entire Super Rugby history."
"Neigh"? Are you writing this so that a horse would understand?
I remember a sad loser from way back who also didn't know the difference between "nay" and "neigh" and, coincidentally, who also didn't have the first clue about rugby but tried to sound as if he did. His name was Alucard but he used to creep around various message boards and blogs using several different names as well.
You're not the poster formerly known as Alucard, are you Sun-Twat?
What? Is that a "yea" or a . . . ummmm . . . a "neigh"?
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
17 Jan 2014, 12:47#30
"I do not criticize performing players - only those who bring it onto themselves."
Mike, you are too much. It would be a dream to meet you in person, I could imagine you on your porch talking away into the wee hours about everything yet nothing in the way only a lonely old man can do. You criticize the best performing players with every single post. You hone in on, mostly Bulls and Sharks, players without rhyme or reason and never let up! With the persistence of an autistic veteran.