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Goosen comes clean

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2018, 16:20
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09 Jul 2018, 16:20#1
Goosen's decision to renege on his contract was excused by some....the owner who had treated him generously was derided. The truth from Goosen reveals a home sick boy, unhappy in Paris. It's hardly a profile in courage but it finally rings true. But a word of apology to the owner and fans is missing. It's still all about Johan. "'To be clear, I did not feel good in Paris. I am South African, I need space and, in the suburbs of Paris, the buildings are so close to each other that I felt like I was choking. I had the uncomfortable feeling of living in a box. The worst part is that my son was also very unhappy. ‘Because I was very unhappy off the pitch, I could not have stayed for five more years… Money has nothing to do with it. I wanted another life, the sun, the space and the nature. I’ll have all this in Montpellier.’ Goosen said he threw himself into a normal work routine back in Bloemfontein, but struggled with the adjustment, while also experiencing regrets over the way things had panned out on the rugby front. ‘It was madness. I made a mistake. But that’s life. Paradoxically, I have also grown a lot over the past two years. I emptied my head and allowed my body time to recover… I went through bad times. I was very sad. I thought all of this would never end. Sometimes I said to myself: “Maybe I should go back to Racing?” And at other times, I was persuaded that going back would not do me any good. In fact, I was lost… If a player is in my situation, I would say to him: ”Do not do it, you will regret it. The price to pay is too heavy.'"
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Jul 2018, 16:35
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09 Jul 2018, 16:35#2

He hasn't grown up. You grow up by persevering not by running away. Very disappointed by this whole fiasco. Like you say it's still about him, and it's easy to talk about change and growth when you get your own way. He screwed a team over. They made a considerable monetary commitment and made plans based on his availability. To not apologise for this is the most disappointing part. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2018, 16:42
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09 Jul 2018, 16:42#3
One thinks about S African emigrants arriving in Europe with nothing....struggling to feed their kids but determined to make a new fairer life. And Goosen's advice to these heroes is to avoid the pain.....'the price is too heavy'.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
09 Jul 2018, 16:46
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09 Jul 2018, 16:46#4
Goosen cooked his goose by walking out on that contract. Things went from bad to worse when he returned home and shot his poacher friend. Now that he has more space, everything is great.
However I must say that living in Europe is very cramped, and can be annoying.  I lived in London and it can be like staying on an Ant farm, especially when travelling to and from work. 
Property and space is expensive, and landowning class love their birthright of owning land- while just about everyone else is cramped.
Where I am now in Cornwall has much more space and is nicer. Much more scenic by the coast as well- instead of the grey jungle of the city- which may not seem like a natural habit.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2018, 17:18
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09 Jul 2018, 17:18#5
Many of us have been there Shark. When we first arrived in London best we could afford was a grotty apartment in Bayswater, with the communal bathroom down two flights of stairs.......pretty horrible, I remember tripping over the curled carpet in the dark. So after we both got jobs we could afford a rental out in East Molesey, with the Hampton Court Palace grounds and the river to enjoy. That's a common story.... people work, they persevere and they get through it.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Jul 2018, 17:42
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09 Jul 2018, 17:42#6
“Where I am now in Cornwall has much more space and is nicer. Much more scenic by the coast as well- instead of the grey jungle of the city- which may not seem like a natural habit.” Hell yeah. You’re lucky. That is a beautiful part of the country. My son used to work at a hotel called Lewtrenchard Manor near a tiny little village called Lewdown. It is not deep into Cornwall. Just inside of the border between Cornwall and Devon. They lived in a cottage in Lewdon.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2018, 17:43
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09 Jul 2018, 17:43#7
Yep Cornwall and Devon are lovely.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
09 Jul 2018, 18:42
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09 Jul 2018, 18:42#8

You've got to give that to SA whites, the quality of their tales show they do not bother. They do not accept but they do not bother delivering a credible version.


Guy tried to break his contract because he heard he would earn more in another club. Greedy chap. It stops there. He renewed his contract for four years, found out he would earn more elsewhere and was overcome by his greed.

Guy was living in a place buildings are so close one from another on the wage he made every month. One finger close to reveal he had a flat in a dormitory town with no window in it.

He might not even realize that it would take only a slow day for a journalist to enquire the location of his previous home and/or the location of his current one, publish pics and expose him.

This SA player could have come clean by telling it as it is, he is greedy and was ready to break his contract to earn more. He could have come with another version like he did not expect they would be so many non white people in the town he lived, he had to move back to SA to live among white people etc

Nope, guy prefered to come up with that tale.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
09 Jul 2018, 18:44
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09 Jul 2018, 18:44#9

Property and space is expensive, and landowning class love their birthright of owning land- while just about everyone else is cramped.


SA is without a doubt very different in that regard.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Jul 2018, 18:56
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09 Jul 2018, 18:56#10
“SA is without a doubt very different in that regard.” Correct. South Africa requires you to have a lockup garage and not even that guarantees the safety of your car. In the UK many people split their garages in half and use the one part for storage and converts the rest into utility rooms, etc. Very few use their garages to park their cars in. Many many cars are left in the street overnight. People in the UK find it hard to understand what I mean when I try to explain about the burglar bars the I had at my house in SA. “You've got to give that to SA whites, the quality of their tales show they do not bother”. How about we start talking about the quality of the tales of SA Blacks?
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
09 Jul 2018, 19:05
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09 Jul 2018, 19:05#11

When they are in a significant number on this board to get an assessment.

Now, it is very doubtful they managed to reach the same level as their SA white counterparts, who are unrivaled in the rest of the world.

If they had managed, awesome achievement.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
09 Jul 2018, 19:07
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09 Jul 2018, 19:07#12

People in the UK find it hard to understand what I mean when I try to explain about the burglar bars the I had at my house in SA.


Or they understand and prefer not to tell as a manner to remain polite and avoid riling up their SA interlocutor.

Turning a region as large as SA into a kolmanskop is not the berth for a shining future.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Jul 2018, 20:05
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09 Jul 2018, 20:05#13

Trad, you have the Goosen facts all wrong Idiot!

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
09 Jul 2018, 21:42
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09 Jul 2018, 21:42#14
I would not pick him, he has no mental fortitude. Great to hear everybody's experience of London. My first digs was in Stratford sharing a room with a bloke in a small bedroom in an house of 14 saffas. My room mate use to shag his girlfriend every night and a spend most of my time on a bear stained coach. I left Cape Town as Web developer only to end up doing day labour jobs for 18 months before I could get a job back in IT and living in horrible cramped conditions. With the money they paid him, he would have a great place in Paris. Spoiled entitled brat that doesn't know how to stick it out.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jul 2018, 23:06
#15
09 Jul 2018, 23:06#15

Goosen was very young when he went overseas. young people make mistakes even more than older folk generally speaking. The slamming of Goosen is mean spirited and soooo judgemental

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
09 Jul 2018, 23:06
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09 Jul 2018, 23:06#16
Likewise, nice to hear of everyone's else's experience in London.   It can be pretty tough getting herded around on the Tube train like cattle, especially in summer when it gets humid.
Cornwall is nice and scenic, and more like the coastline of South Africa in many ways than England.

I live in Newquay, as it is the place that is most like Durban with lots of beaches for surfing. It has an airport- so the flight to London is 30 minutes.  Occasionally I get up at 5:30 am to catch a 7 am flight, then get the 8:30 pm flight back, and I get in the door around 10 pm. A long day- but I only do this once every few months.
I might get a place in London for peak winter time (Jan-March), as it is cold- so Cornwall is not as good at that time of the year.I do plan to go on a surfing trip from now on, in February - to skip the peak of winter when it is raining non-stop and freezing. Unless the wind is offshore, the surf is buggered-and freezing. 
Goosen has had the easy life being spoonfed his whole life..... 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Jul 2018, 23:23
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09 Jul 2018, 23:23#17

Sharkbokie sure has it so very tough :

I live in Newquay, as it is the place that is most like Durban. It has an airport- so the flight to London is 30 minutes.  Occasionally I get up at 5:30 am to catch a 7am flight, then get the 8:30 pm flight back, which gets more home around 10:30 pm. A long day- but I only do this once every few months.

Oak do you really only have a hard day "once every few months"!

Man you wouldn't last one day of hard training ala Goosen! hahhahahaha


WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Jul 2018, 00:21
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10 Jul 2018, 00:21#18

"A bear stained couch " ,Kingcorn , musta been a pretty wild bunch eh ?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
10 Jul 2018, 00:36
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10 Jul 2018, 00:36#19



Was the bear your friend, or his girlfriend? 

By the way was his girlfriend from England or SA? (My guess is more likely from England if she was screwing on the couch ....)

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jul 2018, 00:49
#20
10 Jul 2018, 00:49#20
If Goosen had gone through the Navy Gym perhaps he would have grown a pair....his reaction to Paris is pretty much like his reaction to the high ball.....getting the hell out of there.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2018, 01:55
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10 Jul 2018, 01:55#21

B S

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
10 Jul 2018, 19:10
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10 Jul 2018, 19:10#22

If Goosen had gone through the Navy Gym perhaps he would have grown a pair....

So they trained people in looking for real estate. Or maybe it requires a pair to find a comfortable home.

Most people experience it takes money first and only. If people with enough money are too meek, they can hire people to hunt a home for them.

Guy is greedy, heard he would be paid more in another club, tried to break his contract so he can go.

It may take a pair for him to admit that point in public. He prefers to come with a tale only the willing believe.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
10 Jul 2018, 21:57
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10 Jul 2018, 21:57#23
Sharkbok, wandad, that cracks me up. I love Cornwall and Devon. My favourite place in the UK. I'm still living in London with my family, but I were to leave, then Cornwall would be my next spot. Goosen is money hungry and getting the wrong advice. Surely he could have asked for a release from his contract
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
10 Jul 2018, 23:48
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10 Jul 2018, 23:48#24

Funny as Mr Sharkie !

I was thinking the other day about how when sharing digs you no longer have to worry about the phone bill or putting a bar on long distance calls ,I can recall more than one dustup over who did and din t pay their share .Come to think of it those may have been bear related as they all involved teeth and claws !

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jul 2018, 10:26
#25
13 Jul 2018, 10:26#25

No pity for him.

Being a young pro living in a beautiful 1st world city and doing what you love. 

Not too mention learning a new language and literally being a one hour's flight away from a plethora of interesting countries with diverse and rich histories.

Poor baby.

T oo arrogant/stupid to adapt and grow.

He was the problem, not France.



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2018, 10:58
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13 Jul 2018, 10:58#26

plum

Paris is a beautiful city - but on my last visit to it had a number of really problematic encounters and it all relates to crime and the fact that it has become a hotbed of radicalism.   I went to Paris in 1973 and stayed in a hotel near the Gare D' Nort.   Beautiful and very good,

My next visit was in 2000 and I booked on internet a place in a cheap hotel.   When I ask a taxi driver to take me to the said hotel he refused to take me to the hotel because it was too dangerous for him to enter the area.    He dropped me off two street blocks from the hotel ad I had to walk the rest of the way.

In 2007 I thought I would book into a Hotel near the Gare D'Nort - and when I returned to SA a French friend of mine said I must be mad to stay there because of criminality and g8un battles between the Police and criminals.   Fact is there were two nasty incidents during the stay there.  

I love Paris - but it is not the fantastic city it used to be. .      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2018, 10:58
#27
13 Jul 2018, 10:58#27

plum

Paris is a beautiful city - but on my last visit to it had a number of really problematic encounters and it all relates to crime and the fact that it has become a hotbed of radicalism.   I went to Paris in 1973 and stayed in a hotel near the Gare D' Nort.   Beautiful and very good,

My next visit was in 2000 and I booked on internet a place in a cheap hotel.   When I ask a taxi driver to take me to the said hotel he refused to take me to the hotel because it was too dangerous for him to enter the area.    He dropped me off two street blocks from the hotel an d I had to walk the rest of the way.

In 2007 I thought I would book into a Hotel near the Gare D'Nort - and when I returned to SA a French friend of mine said I must be mad to stay there because of criminality and gun battles between the Police and criminals.   Fact is there were two nasty incidents during the stay there.  

I love Paris - but it is not the fantastic city it used to be. .      

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jul 2018, 13:01
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13 Jul 2018, 13:01#28

Right on ou maaavkie. President T rump has been warning the European elite globalist rulers of their folly. Thankfully the tide has turned against these traitors selling out Europe to invasion. Mass deportations will take place in the future as Italy is now talking about.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
13 Jul 2018, 16:19
#29
13 Jul 2018, 16:19#29

Mike

Goosie was earning enough to invest in a really good property in a nice area. Certainly not a slum.

One of his big issues was that unlike most he decided not to learn French. Habana is fluent now. 

Literally playing ball for a living and earning big tom.

Where is the downside? In his head, nowhere else. 

One struggles to sympathise with people who create a shithill out of a golden opportunity.

I have zero pity for him. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Jul 2018, 16:41
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13 Jul 2018, 16:41#30

I agree with you there - no sympathy from me as well.   Apparently when on contract with French clubs part of the benefit is that the Club arrange for accommodation for the contracted player.   Goosen got a flat - he was there for three years.   So why the sudden flight  from France and why sign s huge new contract for four years?   The truth is probably that he wanted out because their was another contract looming and the \benefits would be better and he would have been much better 

He got that in the end in Montpellier - who was looking for a flyhalf - since Steyn is useless and Catrakilis was not much better.   Was that not the situation in the past as well?   He was not played by Racing at flyhalf - I think that was his main gripe.

By the way the Gare D'Nort is not in a slum area - it is very near to the Paris city center.   A person tried to rob me at the Eiffel Tower and that is definitely not in a slum area.  AN Aussie helped me out there and prevented the theft of my shoulder bag = which contained presents for my nephew and family costing more than R15 000.             

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jul 2018, 21:07
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13 Jul 2018, 21:07#31

It was clear from the start that Goosen and the couched had problems. Coach laundered washing in the newspapers. Not saying Goosen was innocent, but when a coach start slating his players in the press, there is something wrong...and pardon my French, but it looks like some Frenchmen can be real dose.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Jul 2018, 13:43
#32
16 Jul 2018, 13:43#32

So many SA coaches qualify for it. SA coaches bashing their own players in the press.

Especially quota players.

Maybe this SA player was unused to it, thinking that non white players were to be fuses. Might have been a surprising event for him.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Jul 2018, 13:45
#33
16 Jul 2018, 13:45#33

One of his big issues was that unlike most he decided not to learn French. Habana is fluent now.


The first one has the typical SA mindset. Those guys do not even speak the language of the majority of their own country.

The second is a traitor to SA.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jul 2018, 18:37
#34
17 Jul 2018, 18:37#34

Trad, you are an ill informed bigot. How many languages do you speak?

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