Goosen vs New Zealand 2012

Fuckwit

Steyn was replaced at minute 59 after the second AB try was scored.   All sources confirmed that - he try was scored at minute 59 - Morne was replaced at minute 59  while the conversion was taking place,   One cannot believe a lie like you are propagating here.   

If Morne was replaced earlier it would have been at the previous break in play. that is minutes before the try was scored and not at minute 59 as was the fact.  

I rather believe the time lines published by ESPN - they have never ever been questioned about time lines.   It is easy to realize that you lied about so many issues as to what happened in that test - why did you persist with the lies?  .

You believe in ESPN (Stats) over game footage? Again? After Rabbi Statistiy led you astray regarding Louw's carries? Go on, have a pee k. What's the worst that could happen? You are right after all. 

Goosen comes on 58:58 right before the lineout starts. Try is scored around 59:23.

Sure the lies continue - Nice try BSter.   You have been caught out to often it is unbelievable.   .

Your BS remains the most unbelievable ever.   Why don't you ask your liar friend  how he wrote - 

  1)   that when the replacement took place the score was 12-12 and swore he was correct - after which hes aid it was 8-8' followed by

   2)  that first Taute played in the game and when pointed out to him that Taute did not play - he  changed the story to Engelbrecht.

   3)  he claimed that the first try was scored because De Villiers and Taute (afterwards changed to Engelbrecht)  fouled up in defense. 

So OK Goosen is replaced at minute 58:58 - a line -out to be formed and the ball thrown in - take at least 10 to 12  seconds.   I am not sure where the line out in fact were - but if it was inside the 22 the ball goes to Nonu and then to Smith it would take another 15 seconds minimum to get to the opposite side of the field from where the line out was formed.   Are you a nutcase liar too - however, nice try to fabricate false info. tu support your lying colleague. .

However, one can only expect BS from you anyway - you are as stupid as AgainBSter is to be caught out as easily as he was.

The fact is that Fat Fransie and Kirchner was involved in the first try and both also fouled up in the case of the second try.

And your liar friend refused to accept another fact and that is the 6 missed kicks at goal by Morne and also the missed conversion of Habana's try.   Meyer realized what was going on and Morne was dropped from the squad for the rest of 2012.   It must only be piss-brained idiots like you, Mozart and AgainsBSter who do not realize it even now.                     

Who are you addressing? That's so incomprehensible I'm not sure who you are talking to 

I never said anything about 12-12. I don't know what game you are referring to. Taute didn't play when? He did indeed play against New Zealand in 2012, in the home tests . That was the only game Goosen and Taute started together against New Zealand. I haven't been shown up or exposed on anything. 

Are you saying that I blamed Taute for the 2013 Ellis Park Barrett try? If you are, you are lying again. I have never said he played in that game. Ever. 

You are losing your marbles. Or maybe your marbles got tired of listening to your garbled rants and lost you. 

I don't follow all you and Auge's threads around because I'm done with the endless discussion about this long gone era of rugby, so no idea who said what previously. Simply pointing out when Goosen came on in relation to the try.

Lineout throw 59:04, A Smith taking his last steps toward the tryline 59:23. Clock is removed before touchdown, but try probably scored at 59:24, as I know how much you like exact numbers.

Watch the damn footage.

Listen - ou can keep on lying - you wrote in a thread that the score was 12-12 when Steyn was replaced.   The game discussed was the Dunedin game BSter - and suddenly you know nothing about what you wrote.   

I can take a number of lies from you lot - but your latest lies - five in one posting was just too much.   

Now lets get to the missed kicks at goal by Morne - 6 in all.   Is that acceptable for the replacement of Morne - as well as his BS out of hand kicking as the NZ commentators announced twice.   Did those missed kicks not have had an impact on the outcome of the game?   Morne was shit in the game and replaced because he was. Even 4 conversions out of 6 not  have affected the outcome.

I have, ad nauseum, stated that Morné had trouble with his place kicking. How many times do I have to say this?

I never said those points where insignificant. My point was that your claim that Morné directly lost that test is a lie. 8-8 when he departs, how did the Boks end with a deficit? Were the Greyling penalties and cards of no significance? I was waiting to see if you'd actually mention that. Clearly you had no intention of doing so. 

So, you lied about the times. You lied about the try. You therefore lied about Goosen's defensive error. You lied about Nonu running Goosen over. 

Care to apologise? If you are going to be foul mouthed, you should at least line your ducks up first 

Goosen's first act was to miss Cory Jane at 59:09 (1:12:06 on the video clock) in the leadup to that try as well, giving the ABs a little extra forward momentum

Believe you and the other two BSters is equal to join you three as being serial liars  And by the way Morne made a major contribution to the loss of that game - but you may as well add Kirchner and Fat Fransie to being partially responsible as well.    

The first try was scored in minute 18 and AgainBSter blame Goosen for it.   The BS of againBSter is further exposed iro the following try description;- 

TRY: Aaron Smith spots a gap and speeds through the Boks' defense to touch down for a try

The first loss to New Zealand in 2012 was as a result of Goosen being run right over by Nonu from a lineout. Literally. Which allowed New Zealand to pour through our defence. We were simply swarmed once they got in behind. The next was a try because Goosen inexplicably walked away from a ruck where he was the sole defender! New Zealand's 9 ran through and scored. It was 8-8 when Morné left. The next loss was through more defensive lapses by Goosen and Taute in particular. Goosen got run over again for a try. In 2013 the first game was the card game. In spite of being down a man we made New Zealand work. The return fixture saw us beaten as a result of no kicking. The Boks repeatedly ran from deep whereas New Zealand won the territory battle. We came close to winning the first game of 2014, it was very close. We won the next game. In 2015 we lost because of an illegal Lineout play and very scrappy ineffective backplay. Not because of kicking. In the World Cup we lost because we spent most of the game in our own half, trapped. New Zealand kicked us to pieces with grubber etc. In 2016 and 2017 we lost because every aspect of the team was ineffective. Right down to too many selection errors.

Clever Mike is obsessed with "defective aimless kicks".

Where was Goosen being  run over as you claim in that description.   Nonu ios not even mentioned so  Stop talking KAK on site.  

Now the rest explanation was BS as well and absolutely so.  An outright lie again.   The truth is Goosen was injured and treated behind the tryline by the medics.  Taute buggered up the a relieving kick and Goosen despite the medics got up and tried to run over to try and tackle Whitelock on the side of the field.   Immediately after the try was scored he received further treatment and was hobbling along and tried to continue playing even though he was seriously affected by the injury and really should not have played any further - but Meyer kept him on the field for some stupid reason or another,  Your head m ust be spinning by now.   ..     

Mikey ,Mikey ,Mikey .Why is you dissing ya homiies ? 

The Goosen was cooked the moment he choked up during the anthem.Not a big occasion player.

Mike you really can not be this doff? You are only lending weight to an argument that you are Trad on T ik.

I am not so dof that I cannot recognize lies and BS    I am not defending Goosen at all - fact is they started the attack after I said Morne buggered up in test  against the AB's. in Dunedin in 2012.   AgainBSter went on the attack and left out the 6 goal kicks missed by Morne in the said test. That he refused to accept and started a tirade against Goosen and stated that the score was 12 -12  when Morne was replaced and he then went on the rampage on the so-called second try and stated that the said  2012 test loss was occasioned by Goosen, Taute and Engelbrecht - the latter two never playing in the Dunedin test.   He lied about the test at least five times.. in one posting.  I quoted the real situation and then he edited the post to take out the lies as far as possible. 

I am not defending Goosen at all - I merely stated the real fact about Goosen's injury in the 2012 Ellis Park test.

He then went on the rampage about Morne Steyn's BS performance in the Ellis Park test of 2013 when he was a major reason for the loss by the Springboks.  Ben Smith really ran over Morne for the first AB try - later on Morne made a balls-up seconds before the end of the first half - which donated another try by Messam  to the AB's and then missed a tackle on Barrett when he scored a try.  Obvious facts - but againBSter went ballistic about the issue.

I wonder whether AgainBSter surname is not Steyn - must be related to the guy otherwise he would not i nvent BS the way he does.            

Freifrau Mike, you'd better calm down before you prolapse. 

Furthermore your reading comprehension is shocking. I did give references along with dates. 

L astly, stop turning my threads into a Morné, Frans, Meyer, Victor, Du Preez, Steenkamp et al hate binge. 

Thanking you kindly. 

Listen I am honest and try to give credit where it is due and criticize where it is required.  I do not create false inventions to try and discredit players I do not like.  Fact is  I hate no players - but all the above was great at one stage - but they were over-the hill or physically unfit to continue playing and they ended costing us dearly in numerous tests.   

I would rather avoid reference to the past tests and I do not think it really relevant at present.   Only players who are still in contention can to my mind be discussed - but then it must be objectively and without prejudice.   I do not think inventing false descriptions is acceptable and we have had plenty of that.

I was a strong supporter of Louw in the past - but I can see his deficiencies and he will not make next years world cup.   His decline over the last two years was massive  and he will be useless by 2019.   It would be a disaster to play him against the AB's - he became too pace-deficient to compete. 

I am very particular about details. I most certainly do not fabricate a story to discredit a player. I merely let the footage speak for itself; that's where I spend most of my time as far as the game is concerned. Gleaning what I can from footage to better understand the game. Simple as that. If you observe all of my past discussions with players, it's very seldom that I reference stats, I do reference very specific events in detail. There is always a reason why I believe things. 

This board reflects so much that SA rugby is such a thing of the past. People keep speaking of the good old days.

SA rugby has no present. Its future is to be terminated.

Actually, people have been speaking of how bad the past is and of a new hope (bet you didn't catch that ). 

This is a funny one:

"I hate no player"... "Frans is a fat slob", "de Jongh is a worthless c*nt" 

Mozart

Let me ask you when and why I criticize past Springboks whom I never criticize while they were in their prime as players,  I criticize them for under-performance in matches at the time of matches they under-performed in.   I do not like you suffer from age mania of players and I do not manufacture lies to protect their poor performance from criticism.   You are a real candidate to see a shrink.

AF

I called Fat Fransie a fat slob with a reason - in 2012-15 he weighed 118 kgs.  A player of his height should weigh circa 105 to 107 kgs.   Plumtee was right when he said he is not a center at all - and I rather believe it than you lot.  Anyway he was rated in 2014 as the 32nd rated center in Super Rugby and in all facets of play rated as the number 252 rated player - all because he was a "fat slob".   There was not many lower rated players in that series - most of them were bench players or occasional starters.

De Jongh was no better in Super Rugby and in two tests he played in in 2O12 he went AWOL in both matches,  He came on from the bench in the Aussie match in 2013 and destroyed a perfect try scoring opportunity.   He had just a slightly better rating at center in Super Rugby in 2014.than Fat Fransie.   Be it a it may he never was used as a test player after that until 2017.   The fact is that Mozart published a list of poor defenders on site in the match De Jongh played in by quoting tackling stats from ESPN.  The liar left out De Jongh who was the second worst failure in that respect.   One can never trust anything Mozart writes on this site.   When that came to light he claimed that the stats were changed after he made the posting - while the changes to the stats were finalized way before his posting - a lie as per normal from him.  

Bad news that lowlife poster is at best.    

The typical Mozart horror show that he supports players despite serial BS performances.         

Height etc, each body is different. Gather together people of the same height and you'll find may different body types. My cousin is the same height as Frans, different body type, doesn't carry a lot of weight. In fact, he struggles to put weight on. The same for my cousin's boyfriend who is 6'7. Now, her brother is 6'4, naturally carries more weight. Your argument is invalid. Lastly, who are you to call him a slob anyway? Shall we evaluate your physique? I can already tell how you'd take it. Making a personal attack on a player is the clearest sign if hate and prejudice. Not an evaluation of their play. 

Ranked the 252nd best player in Super rugby? According to who? I know very well from his play that he was one of the very best South African players. He carried that Sharks side as their best 10, 12, 13 and 15. Anyone claiming what you just did is an ignorant fool.

Juan has a long standing history as one of the best defensive backs in South Africa. I didn't evaluate or watch that 2017 test, he may very well have been poor. The fact that every player fared significantly worse under Coetzee raises mor questions about Coetzee's coaching than the individuals, though said individuals do have their share in blame. I never actually brought de Jongh into conversation

You have never caught me in a lie. I don't bluff, and I don't ever allow emotion to creep in. It's not in my nature to do so. Your emotions are highly erratic and severely cloud what discernment you possess.