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Gregor Paul: French unable to back up fearsome reputation -we will see

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Nov 2013, 10:31
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06 Nov 2013, 10:31#1

France, forever touted as an All Black nemesis, are nothing of the sort. Their record against New Zealand, particularly in the professional age, is fairly dire. They have managed just four wins and a draw in 22 encounters - hardly impressive. In all 54 tests against the All Blacks, they have won just 11.

And yet they are talked about in such revered tones with all the chatter this week focusing on how they will be more dangerous than they were in June - because the French at home are fiendishly good.

The numbers don't back that up. France haven't beaten the All Blacks in France since 2000. They haven't beaten them in Paris for 40 years. What the numbers do show is that the All Blacks are in fact lethal in France.

When they were last here in 2009, they gave their best performance in an age with a 39-12 thumping in Marseilles. It was a game where the All Blacks, after a horrid year, finally played the way they wanted.

On a balmy night, they found their rhythm. They were intense and polished - the French air seemingly doing them a power of good.

It was the same in 2006 when they destroyed France in Lyon 47-3. That was a royal pounding - the game when every pundit, even the acerbic English ones, duly anointed the All Blacks as World Cup winners elect. The All Blacks were brilliant as they had been two years earlier in Paris when they posted an equally impressive 45-6 thrashing. Maybe the All Blacks are right, that the French do find another gear when they play at home, but the All Blacks obviously find at least two. Sometimes more.

The perception that the French draw something extra out of themselves when they play the All Blacks isn't strictly true. What's happened is that two games, where they have done exactly that, have tainted the picture.

It's not like any New Zealanders can easily forget what happened at the World Cup in 1999. Even less likely they will forget 2007.

But if the French have consistently found their A-game when they have played the All Blacks, it's gone unnoticed.

The real story here is that the French bring something extra out in the All Blacks. The game in 2004 was significant beyond the emphatic result. It was the game that set their style blueprint for the next few years. It was the game that vindicated their decision to move Daniel Carter to first-five and also their shift to a player-led leadership model.

Arguably, although some may say this is plain wrong, the French brought the best out of the All Blacks in the 2011 World Cup final - at least they did in one critical aspect - character. Would the All Blacks have found the resolve they needed to have dug in and shut the game out against any opponent other than France?

It was ugly and it was not how they wanted to play - but the All Blacks responded with courage and belief in the final quarter in a way they perhaps might not have had they been playing England or Australia.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
07 Nov 2013, 01:39
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07 Nov 2013, 01:39#2
 Hard to argue with this .
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Nov 2013, 19:48
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07 Nov 2013, 19:48#3
ive never believed the whole french hype, the numbers which many were aware of prove this, but because any win against the All Blacks is the sporting highlight in every newspaper in any rugby playing nation, and the fact most the french victories have been during the RWC, makes it more noted but even if it is less significant.

as for the All Blacks bring out the best in the french, the All blacks bring out the best in everybody, how many times do we hear players of other nations talk about playing the All Blacks as being the ultimate challenge, weve heard this said from players from all nations, and u only need to look at the All Blacks record and nod ur head, cos we completely understand why.

french in 99 was the only WTF moment, the rest was a big meh, including 07, but im not going to whinge about 07 and start facebook pages, cos who wants to sound like a fag,,,,,oh wait a minute, apologies to some of the locals,
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
08 Nov 2013, 16:17
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08 Nov 2013, 16:17#4
 Very true, the French do not deliver the goods, but that's outside of knockout rugby! That's the difference. The last paragraph is an unfortunate fallacy. They were so bamboozled that their supposed best outside centre in history missed 100% of his tackles as the French machine bent them like a twig. It was the worst test in the history of the game in that it confirmed the dark side of the sport and shamed it.

The French outside of a World Cup are very predictable and ordinary, they tend to be slow as well, erratic at times too. The myth was created after the 99 win over New Zealand. Somehow the French were visionary and creative, yet that was never the case. They took a gamble and put it to the boot and caught the All Blacks cold. The rest was the product of grinding it out.
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