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Gricket - the future of Graeme Smith

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Dec 2013, 17:20
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07 Dec 2013, 17:20#1

The following article appeared in the Sunday Times on line:-


"Despite a stunning 141 run victory over India at the Wanderers on Thursday, the Proteas are facing a selection conundrum with Graeme Smith facing a spell on the sidelines.


Quinton de Kock produced a man-of-the-match performance as he bludgeoned his way to 135 runs from 121 balls, and could be closing the selection door on the newly out-of-favour Smith.


South African captain AB De Villiers said it would only be on a batsman-friendly wicket where he would even consider slotting in the former captain.


“It was tough, I had a look at the wicket,” said De Villiers after the game.

“I was very keen to play seven front-line batters. But after looking at the wicket we felt like another seamer would be very handy, which proved right.


“That kind of wicket will probably come around and he’ll get his chance.”  Hashim Amla (65 runs off 88 balls) and De Kock batted three balls short of the first 30 overs for a 152 run partnership. A return to the opening role for Smith seems increasingly unlikely.


De Kock also provides the aggressive left-handed option which compliments the measured approach of Amla.


De Villiers, however, said Smith would have to keep working to make a return to the side.  “At the end of the day, Quinny [De Kock] and Hash [Amla] are working really well together so there just wasn’t a spot open for him [Smith]. The way I know Graeme, I know he’ll keep working hard.  “He knows I’m a captain that is very fond of playing seven batters.” The prospect of Smith batting outside the opening role would be difficult to imagine, and the solution would perhaps lie in shifting De Kock to the number three batting role, according to De Villiers.  


“It’s a tough question that.  “I can’t see him [Smith] batting anywhere else than opening. I feel Quinny will adapt a bit better batting at three. Especially with the two new balls, you always seem to lose a wicket up front. It didn’t happen today, but more often than not you’ll face the new ball and I feel Quinny has the game to adapt.” 

Indian captain MS Dhoni, meanwhile, said it was just a bad performance by his side which led to the massive margin of defeat.


“Overall, it was a bad performance, I don’t think this was a 300 plus wicket,” Dhoni said.  “We didn’t get the start we needed. Maybe the bowling was slightly worse than the batting, if anything.”


While the South Africans got off to a rocketing start in the first 10 overs, India, the top-ranked One Day International (ODI) side in the world, was pegged back by a superb stint of fast bowling by Dale Steyn.  Steyn beat the bat on several occasions, and started off his day with two maidens in a row.


“That spell by Dale Steyn was crucial, he knew the right area to bowl,” Dhoni added.

“They’ve got fantastic bowlers. We’ll just have to step up overall.” 


After the above article - Smith was sent home to prepare himself for the test series against India and according to the later report he will only be recalled in the case of an injury.


After a series of poor batting performances in ODI's stretching over a year - I was not surprised that he seems to be out of contention for ODI selection in future and has predicted that it would happen.   Time fo r him to retire from ODI's and concentrate on test cricket. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 17:31
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07 Dec 2013, 17:31#2
@mike,

not for nothing brother mike, but there is a cricket forum just underneath???

non rugby threads are good over here, cos thers no where else for them to go, but cricket threads have no business here cos they have a home of their own,
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
07 Dec 2013, 19:34
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07 Dec 2013, 19:34#3
Hear, Hear!!  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Dec 2013, 10:55
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08 Dec 2013, 10:55#4

Sasue


I know - but I did this to needle Mozart and Saffex a bit on this one.  Put a similar item under the cricket heading and I got no response from those two - so I was just trying my luck here.    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Dec 2013, 11:08
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08 Dec 2013, 11:08#5
 Very nice problem t o have but one thing for sure De Kock is here to stay!
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
08 Dec 2013, 13:34
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08 Dec 2013, 13:34#6
@mikey,

lolz, fair enough,
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2013, 00:32
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09 Dec 2013, 00:32#7
What I want to see is de Kock opening the batting with Smith in the tests........that is what should happe n. de Kock is another AB - awesome talent and his time is now.
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
09 Dec 2013, 02:12
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09 Dec 2013, 02:12#8

 Graeme Smith is technically vulnerable. Anything pitching in line and straightening has him in strife. He is good off his pads some days but as he gets older, these days are fewer and farther inbetween. He tends to fall over in the shot and never perfectly balanced like an Amla or Kallis. He is also hit and miss anything offside..He looks to play on the onside as his bat face is always closed so he brings the edge of the bat into play a lot more than he should. 

 

On his day, he will get you big runs as he has great hand-eye co-ordination but he is never going to go down a great. He is an legside player that has trouble with straight bowling and no real cudo's on the offside. Let De Kock play!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2013, 02:32
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09 Dec 2013, 02:32#9
Smith has a crap technique and he knows it. But the mark of the man has him still averaging 50 odd in test matches because he is a class act. Much like Gary Kirsten and Kepler Wessels who were technically flawed, these players had mental fortitude and played to their strengths.

Smith is the best cricket leader I have seen in years and a must for the tests. Not that bothered if he does not make the ODI side.

Smith and de Kock need to open in the tests, with Amla, Kallis, AB and JP making up the rest. I'd also like to see the impressive David Miller play in the test side and bat at 7......with Philander, Steyn, Morkel and Tahir our bolwers. Merchant de Lange and Parnell as our back-up seamers, with Dean Elgar and Rossouw as our back-up bats.
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
09 Dec 2013, 02:36
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09 Dec 2013, 02:36#10

 Is Smith technically a good batsmen? No

Has he been playing well of late? No

Would I leave him out the test team? Probably not

 

He comes good at the right times!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Dec 2013, 02:53
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09 Dec 2013, 02:53#11
de Kock's first class average in the domestic 4 day game is 56. He has had 31 innings's with eight 50's and four 100's. I bet he does not make the test squad
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
09 Dec 2013, 04:26
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09 Dec 2013, 04:26#12

 Why wont he make it?? I am extremely out of touch with SA cricket living here so you probably know more than I do but those numbers you state above are pretty good reading if you are a De Kock fan.

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Dec 2013, 05:14
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09 Dec 2013, 05:14#13

 boklogic


It is a real pleasure to watch De Kock bat - whether on ODI level or on franchise level.   He regularly  takes top bowlers to the cleaners and as a 20 year-old is showing a talent that cannot be ignored.   I cannot remember any cricketer who on international level made 3 centuries in ODI's within a period of 5 weeks.


The older player who are commentating on cricket at present are all protesting that Smith should remain as a test opener and I think they have written off Smith as an ODI opening batter.   They all shout and scream that De Kock is not ready to play test cricket.  I cannot despite the fact that both Smith and De Kock are left handers. see why De Kock should not replace Pietersen as opener.   He can also take over as wicket keeper.


This youngster is pure class and better than any player at his age than anything I have seen ever in SA,        


    


 

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