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Hakwa - Peyper has apologised to All Blacks so time to move on..

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Aug 2014, 05:12
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21 Aug 2014, 05:12#1

The All Blacks have warned Australia they won't have the same assistance at Eden Park after revealing yarpy referee Jaco Peyper apologised for a string of mistakes in the Bledisloe Cup opener.

New Zealand coach Steve Hansen said the South African whistle-blower this week admitted he erred in continually awarding short-arm penalties to the Wallabies for scrum pre-engagements in the 12-12 draw in Sydney.

Hansen said Peyper also put his hand up for wrongly sin-binning prop Wyatt Crockett for what was seen as a cynical breakdown foul late in the first half.

 

"We've spoken to the yarpy referee about the scrummaging. He put his hand up, said he got the free-kicks wrong. But we can't control [the referee], we've had the discussion we needed to have and moved on. It's about us playing our game and playing it better than we played it last week."

After declaring he wouldn't get into the refereeing issues, Hansen was asked what Peyper had conceded he got wrong.

"Where do you want me to start?" he barked. "The free-kick he felt was wrong and he was not sure why he called pre-engage. The first yellow card was wrong - the ball was out.

"It was a good conversation, I respect the man for his honesty ... he's no different than players -- some days you have a bad day. He had a bad day at the office and put his hand up...

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 13:09
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21 Aug 2014, 13:09#2
 Dream, dream, dream , dream - sweet dreams brycy! See the other post by hacked waaugh re Kaplan. 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:13
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21 Aug 2014, 14:13#3
 Awfully big of Peyper to admit he gave the Aussies a RAD Hasbeeno!Just a pity that SA has never apologised to Sir Bryce Lawrence for the unfounded criticism he had to endure after the RWC QF match in 2011. The Boks could learn a thing or 2 from Peyper.....
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:19
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21 Aug 2014, 14:19#4
Moolaa: as the Ozzie commentators said during the game if Peyper wanted to get out of the stadium alive he better not whistle the Wobblies for infringements in the last quarter.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:25
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21 Aug 2014, 14:25#5
Moooo la the fired bryce lawrence should have been on his knees apologising for the worst reffing display ever seen. However he couldnt as it would have been another nail in the nz credibility coffin - as moooo la brycy lawrence was made nz ref of the year!! 
I have my doubts as to what Jaco actually admitted. Kaplan thought the yellows were fully warranted. Perhaps Jaco was under duress from Hansen.
Fact is you oaks were called out by a highly respected ref - Kaplan. Fact is it's not a new thing and has been frequently commented upon - red zone infringements by cynical abs
Very satisfactory how this one is going. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 14:53
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21 Aug 2014, 14:53#6
Beeno: your delusional state of mind will soon be shattered by a well schooled wobblies team.

           

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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
21 Aug 2014, 15:23
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21 Aug 2014, 15:23#7
 Ref aside the AB played shit!! and damn lucky to get away with a draw. The AB need to crank it up physically and stop holding back because the Wallabies wont just roll over like last year. The AB skill level dropped in Sydney especially around the rucks and cleaning out the Wallabies at the breakdowns, they need to get more urgency in their game or the Walla bies will go in for the killer blow this time.
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
21 Aug 2014, 15:44
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21 Aug 2014, 15:44#8
 Oh Cry me a river. The all black nearly lost a game because of a supposedly bad call made by the ref. Probably the first time the result didn't go your way and all of a sudden the ref is at fault. The all blacks are renowned for bending the rules and being cynical around the breakdown area. I think both yellows were the right call. The momentum was on the wallabies side at both occasion the kiwis tried to spoil, even good all richie got a few warning. Probably the first guy I would send off
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Aug 2014, 15:47
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21 Aug 2014, 15:47#9

Kingcorn: I don't see many kiwis on here saying the ref was the cause of the draw. Most say we played like crap and that was the cause.

 

Most also say the ref had a bad day. That is a lot different than blaming the ref & saying we should have won.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Aug 2014, 19:06
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21 Aug 2014, 19:06#10
 Fair enough Brycy - Time to move on.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Aug 2014, 23:16
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21 Aug 2014, 23:16#11
Wise man hacked waaugh papa moaner is on the right track. If nz play to this level again expect to lose apart from a RAW. You have to up your game.
It's one time when you can safely follow ou brycy's advice 
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Aug 2014, 23:54
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21 Aug 2014, 23:54#12
 Kingcorn, Peyper has admitted to Hansen he got Crockett's yellow card wrong so your opinion on it doesn't count for much.Hasbeeno has questioned whether this account from Hansen is true but if it's not then why hasn't Peyper refuted it??Once again the ABs have been singled out by biased refs!! It's got to stop as at the moment it seems refs are determined to bring the ABs back to the pack by fair means or foul!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Aug 2014, 00:13
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22 Aug 2014, 00:13#13
 So the whinging Hansen says. However kaplan says it was correct. I know who I believe first moooo la
No it' s just high time the very cynical abs were pinged. Hooorah and at long last. Us having double the amount of yellows in test between us tells you how bad its been!The refs have realised, as have journos, something very rotten has been going on and some action is at last being taken. 
Cant tell you how pleased I am. Some justice at last. It had to happen. 
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Aug 2014, 00:19
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22 Aug 2014, 00:19#14
Beeno: you should try following Brycy's advice, lol 
Y ou're still griping about 2011 & even further back & from 2011 into infinity. Heed the wisdom of Brycy you will feel better for it.
& so will everyone explained Daffy
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
22 Aug 2014, 00:21
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22 Aug 2014, 00:21#15
Who was actually in attendance of the meeting between Hansen and Peyper?
I have heard nothing official from the IRB about the call in the media, I have heard nothing from Peyper himself. 
So we must all take it in good faith that what Hansen is saying is verbatim defacto?I think the issue at hand is the cynical professional penalties given away in the All Blacks 22 when they are under severe pressure. This can happens on the oppositions best attacking moves, and it not only robs of a potential 7 points but also from picking up momentum. It stops the opposition teams getting their tails up, and exerting severe pressure. 
As to whether the exact incident is wrong or if their was another incident that was more severe, it appears as though the referees are cracking down on the All Blacks doing this in their own 22. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
22 Aug 2014, 11:28
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22 Aug 2014, 11:28#16
 If Peyper hadnt said it to Hansen dont you think he would say something?????Who cares anyway ,it happens so BFD .You rarely see Kiwis on here still moaning about Barnes in the 2007 RWC .Get over it .
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Aug 2014, 12:09
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22 Aug 2014, 12:09#17
 This is a nive media stroy - especially in New Zealand.   However, the question remains - what has the IRB one in this case - and the asnwer is zero.   That answer may eb criticized by some as  they eblieve the IRB does not act in teh case of serious deficiencies in referees 0 but they do take action and that is a fact.
I do not want to raise old arguments - but they did it in teh cases of both Bryce Lawrence and Poite.   Since the IRVYou have to have enough independent observations for your results to be statistically significant.B has obciously regarded the mattr as not serious enough tot ake action- the answer seems to eb that this is a media storm with no real substance.
Lets face facts - referees aqaewe human and they will make mistakes.     However, when referees shows incompetence and do not make use of all facilites at their disposal or make repeat mistakes in the same game action would have been taken/
 There are two ways to look at this casem namely =
*    did the circusmatces and conduct of players during the match clouded the judgement of the referee to the extend that in some cases he over-reacted; and
*    did the decisions of Peyper affected the outcome of the game
In the first instance referees have been instructed to be extremely strict on unprofessional play this year.   The All Blacks stretched the rules to a remarkable extend and that no doubt had an impact on Peyper's decision making/  They were constantly - and legitmately so - penalized for illegal play and that would irritate any referee and culd ultimately result in mistakes by the referee.   Refereestourinely warns players and teams to stay within the rules - some do so and do not acttion or delayed action to the point of mp sction beiong tsaken - some take immediate action in the case of transgressions.    In a way that would obviously has applied to the Aussies as well - but in essence they were not as huilty of repeat offences as the AB's were.
The other issue is - did the decisions impact on the outcome of the game.   Hansen apparently does not think so - he claimed that the ASAB's did not perform up to expectations, while others in fact claim that Australia missed the boat by not winning the game/
So what do we have here?   A media storm created to enhance their own interests - wit a negative connotation in respect of the teams and players involverd.   It could have the psychological affext of players thinking that they were correct since newspaper reports indicate that they have done nothin wrong - with the result that they do not correct their actions and deiscipline suffeers again in subsequent matches/  
Wardad is right here - get over it.   Hopefully players will take note and not cause unncessary penalizable offences in subsequent matches.   



  
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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
22 Aug 2014, 17:09
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22 Aug 2014, 17:09#18
I think Hansons played this well. Do you think Poite will think twice before reaching into his pocket for a card. Of course he will. I think he has cleverly bought his players some leeway.  
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
22 Aug 2014, 17:11
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22 Aug 2014, 17:11#19
 yeah the kiwi coahces like to threaten and bully refs in buildups really sad.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
25 Aug 2014, 06:29
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25 Aug 2014, 06:29#20
 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Aug 2014, 07:13
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28 Aug 2014, 07:13#21
 Refs are shy wee critters ascared of their own shadows ,why a raised eyebrow from Rutchie can start a paroxysm of trembling lower lips and wobbly legs in even the bravest of them.Its also why the ABS win all the time for like a bazillion years without fail.... apparently.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 08:30
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28 Aug 2014, 08:30#22
 The picture above is of Corrie 10 Boom who was one of the survivors of the Nazi Death Camps.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2014, 10:24
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28 Aug 2014, 10:24#23
Hacked waaugh everyone should read Corrie ten Boom and her sister Betty's  life story truly amazing people.We would all take it as a great kindness if the abs stopped being so cynical! 
As for anybody apologising to the most cynical team in the world, with the most cynical captain, its right but in another way crazy. The side needing to abjectly apologise for years of cynical play against other rugby playing nations is the abs. 
Warped DUD you can righly harp back to wayne barnes but other teams can harp back to incident after incident when playing the abs.
Lets keep correct perspective.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 11:07
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28 Aug 2014, 11:07#24
 We have been angry at Peyper. We have forgiven Peyper. Time to move on. 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2014, 11:42
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28 Aug 2014, 11:42#25
 Well done Pepyer we need more of the same. Much more!!! A few reds would help. A lot of reds would be even better 
How else will they learn given the deep grained nature of the problem. Force them to learn I say. Refs apologisiing to the most cynical side in rugby history - bwahahahhahahahaha what an upside down world!
Peyper just accept it from Kaplan you got it right and dont allow fat Hansen to talk you out of it with all his whinging. What a motor mouth the oak is. Zip it please Hansen you are an embarassment to rugby with all this whinging and smugness.Thanks
By the way snapster do yousee how you can tell off the oppostion without swearing if you have the vocab  etc 
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
28 Aug 2014, 12:00
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28 Aug 2014, 12:00#26
 Bean Brain these apologetic yarpy refs don't need any added encouragement from crazed fans...there's obviously a quota system operating here but you'd think they'd have enough gold watches by now ...
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:05
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28 Aug 2014, 15:05#27
 
We forgive you Peyper fo all the wrong decisions you have made. Let bygones be bygones.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:34
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28 Aug 2014, 15:34#28
 The kbbs 

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:35
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28 Aug 2014, 15:35#29

Dear Ref Peyper,

 

We kiwis have forgiven you & understand that these things happen. A word of caution, there is a group called "It's the ref's fault" & they are not as forgiving.

 

They are still smarting over the ruling on poor ol' bismark's red card We kiwis love Bismark & the aggressiveness he brings to the game. Some might say it is because of all the cards he gets but we will not comment on this

 

      Mental (pun intended) image of

         "It's the ref's fault" group

                     

Warning: do not feed these chaps any red meat!

 

Sincerely, yours JW

 

Head Mole hunter extraordinaire

 

 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:47
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28 Aug 2014, 15:47#30
 we forgive you Beeno



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:48
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28 Aug 2014, 15:48#31
 Dear Jaco, please ignore any posts from JW who is mentally challenged and unstable.Keep up the good work which is being applauded around the rugby world
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 15:58
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28 Aug 2014, 15:58#32
 Next time make the right decisions on the field and try not to get caught with your pants down as it is really hard work confessing later 
 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2014, 16:04
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28 Aug 2014, 16:04#33
 The plight of the kbbs 























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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2014, 16:08
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28 Aug 2014, 16:08#34

 Beeno: your images are not being displayed. Perhaps it was this one you wanted to share with us

 

 

 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2014, 16:10
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28 Aug 2014, 16:10#35
 
I mean here is McCaw trying to play and teach the refs at the same time. It is hard work but he cares enough to do it. The IRB should also pay him a part time Ref Allowance (since he took over from Fitzy )
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