Harrassmiss ripped….WR outed

This excerpt from Stephen Jones makes some of the points worth making:

Previously, he (Erasmus) was regarded as one of rugby’s great men. But in July, he became the man who poisoned a Lions series,” Jones wrote in a scathing column.

“Miscreants accused of the worst kinds of foul play can expect to have their disciplinary cases dealt with within three days. It is now not much less than four months since

“Erasmus, the South Africa director of rugby, appeared alone in a 62-minute video in which, among other treats, he savaged the officiating of the refereeing team — led by the Australian, Nic Berry — in the first Test between the Springboks and the British & Irish Lions…

“In the video, Erasmus also exonerated himself from an accusation that by racing round the field during the Lions series acting as a water-carrier — conducting frequent mini-coaching seminars in breaks in play and generally roaring at his players — he had infringed the spirit of the regulations. In addition, to many of us, he looked a right royal prat.”

Jones went on to question why it was taking so long for a verdict to be reached by World Rugby, while accusing Erasmus and SA Rugby of time-wasting by asking for the proceedings to be held publicly.

The UK scribe also wrote that Erasmus must have known the video could have made it into the public domain, and further stated that he had run through the tape with an international rugby official who suggested that only six of the calls from the video could be deemed as clearly incorrect decisions.

“Erasmus claimed that he did not put the tape out on social media himself and was not speaking in his professional capacity. But he conducted himself dressed in the finest Bok livery and leisurewear as he spoke,” Jones wrote.

“And if he thought that 62 minutes of the national coach rambling angrily in the hour of defeat was going to be kept secret, then he must be the biggest IT numpty in the history of civilisation.

“The Erasmus tape contributed to one of the most embittered of the 10 Lions tours I have followed, and there is no doubt in my mind that he affected play in both subsequent matches, won by South Africa.”

Jones concludes the column by reiterating that Erasmus was “one of the greatest rugby men”, before adding that it was the “most heinous of crimes” for him to have “poisoned” the Lions series.

‘He had run through the tape with an international rugby official who  suggested that only six of the calls from the video could be deemed as clearly incorrect decisions’

Very different from the disinformation put out in the Raaaaaaport and very much in line with my conclusions after carefully reviewing the tape. And I trust The Times a little more than the Raaaaaaaport.

World Rugby needed to call this quickly and honestly. Both attributes rarely found in Committtees.

South African journalism is worth less than used toilet paper. I've never found anything useful by wasting time on it. Childish, puerile, poorly researched, and riddled with bias, can also be very vindictive. 

Apparently every opinion is regarded by you as full-proof if it is against Erasmus and every one for him is written off as garbage.    Please wait for the outcome of the hearing to hear what actually was found.   and then a reasonable discussion would be possible.   At preset this type of article is meaningless and just an opinion of a Wales Rugby personality and the last two games of Wales against the Springboks were both  lost - so there is reason for the Welsh to blame Erasmus for the losses.    

Since your obvious disappointment in the Springboks winning the WC in 2019  you now support every team the Springboks play against and even if the Springboks  win your criticism of the coaching staff and some of the players seems to be endless.  

World rugby admitted that 25 issues out of 27 were referee errors, and Rassie was right. 
Why didn't world rugby resolve this before the 4 nations, or even after the EOYT to make a decision?
Rassie never went overseas in the 4 nations, which was a hindrance. And it is still not sorted out.
Suddenly it is imminent again during the Boks EOYT. Just wait till it is over to give Rassie and chance to put his case together, and let him focus on this tour without sideshow distractions by World rugby. 

Jones has tall poppy syndrome, when a team is 1st in the world they will attract this type of stuff. 
Meanwhile, Wales are 9th in the world. 

"suggested that only six of the calls from the video could be deemed as clearly (blatantly) incorrect decisions."

6 howlers and 17 closer to 50/50..

this article is full of negative opinion and slanted against Rassie, hardly an objective piece...just another bias opinion...hardly conclusive on anything...I'll stick with Rassie's take on things till we know more.

Jones has always been a bit of a one eyed hack who tries to remain relevant by being controversial. 

WR is holding a fat shit sandwich they just don't want to take the first bite. 

WR should have sorted this out weeks ago. It’s nonsense and he’s back out there, carrying one water bottle this time. No coaches should be allowed to do that sort of thing. 

And don’t shout at me Saffex ! It’s just my opinion. 

Oh and the Times have kept him just to drive down their ratings. Sorry it doesn’t pass the smell test. Nor does Harrassmiss’ pathetic tape.

You  are  really desperate to Harass Erasmus  - but I am afraid you are too prejudiced to make a reasonable point and I agree that what you try to proof is near to manure/     

You keep telling me Gavin Rich, Keo etc are crap and they keep their gigs

Jones is crap has always been

Rassie was spot on with his calls - some of the misses by the officials were unacceptable 

I thought I must stop insulting you and I have as a result toned down my comments and kpt it civil.   Severe miscalculation on my part I am afraid.     By the way your attempted BS is understandable.  

You believe unnamed sources talking to Raaport who supposedly claimed World Rugby agreed with all but 3 of the calls. Having actually examined every incident and posted the analysis on here, I believe the Times when they say only 6 of the calls could be called clearly incorrect.

The fact that Berry is still calling tests is further evidence for my view.

Time will tell.

"only 6 CLEARLY incorrect calls" the remaining 20 less obvious?

Massive problem for a pro sport with big money on the line.

No Draad, meaning there were probably some in the grey area and some the ref called right. I invite you again to read through my analysis. It shouldn’t take long, I did all the hard work. And I invite you to check my conclusions by sampling a few examples.

I started my career as a consultant and I would never knowingly present false information… that’s not my thing.

I also believe if we watched the whole match we’d come up with equivalent numbers of decisions that went against the Lions. Why, because calling these things is hard.

Take last Saturday..,,the ref was clearly trying his best to avoid controversy. But he still incorrectly called Etzebeth for reaching beyond the ball on a turnover and penalized him.

In rugby you don’t need bad intent to get things wrong. The good news is almost all try scoring opportunities are carefully video reffed.

"And if he thought that 62 minutes of the national coach rambling angrily in the hour of defeat was going to be kept secret, then he must be the biggest IT numpty in the history of civilization.

Rassie passed the tape on to the relevant people... simple

It is impossible for anyone to guarantee this doesn't happen with so many hands involved

It seems that Nic Berry was not exactly on form this past weekend either.... with a few of his calls having to be corrected by the TMO.... which if left standing.... could have actually changed the outcome of the Wales vs Fiji game.

Such a bloody difficult job, but if that is the case, then he needs to be called in by WR....and a discussion must be held on how they can assist him with improving these on field calls...

Here’s another view, a little less inflammatory, but still suggesting the tape was just a tactic:

outh Africa were deserved winners of the Webb Ellis Cup, their pack proving themselves first among equals and their muscular gameplan demolishing England in the 2019 final. Was there any hint of disrespect from the northern hemisphere as Kolisi hoisted the trophy aloft? Not remotely, but the arrival of Covid meant the Boks never had the collective chance to undertake the year-long global lap of honour their achievement clearly merited.

Maybe that is why this summer’s Lions tour had an increasingly sour edge to it: the more the visitors laid waste to below-strength provincial sides, the less it felt as if they were touring the strongest rugby nation on Earth. The economic and social hardships, the player drain to richer club leagues, the lack of crowds and face-to-face interaction to humanise the experience … if you are being generous you can begin to see why Erasmus started to act as if the whole rugby world was against him.

My personal sense is that he had also studied how New Zealand sought to get at Warren Gatland on the 2017 Lions tour and, once South Africa had gone 1-0 down in a tight Lions series, decided he had little to lose. Had he showcased more of the tight decisions that went against the Lions as well as those that went in South Africa’s favour, his hour-long video might have had genuine validity. As it was, for anyone not wearing green and gold blinkers, the blatant attempt to influence the refereeing of the final two Tests – which duly worked a treat – clearly rode roughshod over any notion of protecting the sport’s integrity or respecting the officials.

The verdict of the independent panel is due to be made public in the coming days and will inevitably generate further howls of protest regardless of the outcome. If it is legitimate to ask why it has taken four months to reach this point, part of the answer lies in the behind-the-scenes legal wrangling on the South African side. In Johannesburg and Bloemfontein it has long since become less about a video and more about the alleged desire of certain others to diminish Erasmus and tarnish the legacy of their World Cup-winning national hero.

So watch this space for the dramatic final reel. Will Erasmus simply receive a fine and a slap on his laptop wrist or something more draconian? Will the Springboks have the last laugh out on the pitch and add England to their pile of scalps? And while we are at it – shortlists aside – let us all pray for one more thing: a transparently level playing field and less angry finger-pointing across rugby’s supposed north-south divide.

Another supposition

Mozzzzz's rampant bias and hatred of Rassie has been there from day one and has not let up since then. Seldom have we seen such unhinged bias over such along period of time regardless of the facts.

As things stand there is zero evidence Rassie sent the tape to anybody incorrectly or that he leaked the tape. He has sent tapes like this before with no reply from the IRB. THE IRB HAS DONE PRATICALLY NOTHING TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM OF POOR OFFICIATING. WORSE STILL HEY WANT IT ALL COVERED UP.

For that hack Jones say that Rassie is wanting the hearings held publicly to slow down proceeding is patently absurd. Rassie wants the truth to come out, TRANSPARENCY,  and obviously would like these ridiculous hearings over as fast as possible. 

Rassie listed 26 errors giving Berry the benefit of the doubt regarding 50/50 call. Looking at the tape there were such blatant errors that it is very clear Berry was cheating. It was also very clear he was ignoring Kolisi whilst being very pally with alwhine Jones.

Those supporting fair competent refffing are in the Rassie camp!  Those wanting crooked reffing also want a cover up.

Mampara power cant grasp that Rassie sending the tape to Berry and the IRB was doing nothing unusual. He was following normal channels. He also keeps suggesting Rassie leaked the tape with no evidence.

Mampara power is sinking fast. 

Currently there is NO EVIDNCE WHATSOEVER THAT RASSIE DID NYHING WRONG. However rather than wait to see what happens these Rassie/Bok haters continue to slander our coach!!! 

Bok wins are joyless. The coach is useless that team is no good. The IRB player of the year is pathetic. Allende is selected for team of the week but he had a poor game. Nkosi although not even playing was poor said the org. Bwaahhahahahahahahahaha

Frankly these clowns have lost their minds. They have succumbed to Rassie Derangement Syndrome (RDS) and now are no more than unhinged lunatics pedaling a whole load of BS.

"Rassie sending the tape to Berry and the IRB was doing nothing unusual. He was following normal channels"

Precisely

Also...... who would request a public forum for any disciplinary hearing, if they were going to be made out, or shown to b e, a very dishonest or deceitful person, in front of the whole world?

Exactly DA. They want to keep all this under wraps. After all how would it look if Erasmus reveals to the world how many tapes he has sent the IRB with no response. What else could Rassie say in evidence that would be severely embarrassing to these fraudsters! 

How would it look if the IRB has no proof Rassie leaked the tapes.

Lets hope a tape of the proceedings is leaked.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant and is sorely needed.

"How would it look if the IRB has no proof Rassie leaked the tapes"

I guarantee you 200% that they don't have any proof at all