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Has Stephanie Been Dropped?

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
27 Sept 2023, 21:54
#1
27 Sept 2023, 21:54#1

The breakdown was bad against Ireland, even taking into consideration the Irish ruck play is very good. 

We saw Stephanie lumbering around from ruck to ruck, while also getting in the way in backline attacks (that is usually Deland's role) - and looked far of the pace. 

If Wiese is starting at 8, Vermuelen at 7 and Kolisi at 6 - this could be the starting combination against France. 

=Why play Vermuelen out of position?
=Why is Kolisi even playing, if most of the team are B-team players?

It seems Rassnaber is trying to build a combination in the backrow.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Sept 2023, 21:58
#2
27 Sept 2023, 21:58#2
No Shark PSDT has been in awesome form bar the average outing against Ireland So he is going nowhere. My guess is Wiese is getting another start as he has been disappointing this WC Vermeulen and Wiese starting means it’s a shoot out between the two of them for a starting spot in the QF It’s pretty obvious
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Sept 2023, 22:19
#3
27 Sept 2023, 22:19#3

Hopefully.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
27 Sept 2023, 22:36
#4
27 Sept 2023, 22:36#4

PSDT has had good games this season, but without Marx and Vermulen, the ruck play is not good enough. The back row needs a fetcher. Starting Vermeulen is a must.

Did anyone else notice that Vermuelen was sitting next to Rassie in the coach's box, versus Ireland? They were seen speaking in-depth as if Vermuelen was one of the coaches.


BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Sept 2023, 05:49
#5
28 Sept 2023, 05:49#5
How potent are the French loosies ?


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
28 Sept 2023, 06:07
#6
28 Sept 2023, 06:07#6
Malherbe, Marx, Kishoff, Eben, RG, Kwagga, Wiese, Roos. Malherbe might be a tad suspect lately but other than that...it's a beast of a pack. Roos could, and should replace PSDT after this WC...he's better at literally everything, and by far. There's no dropping Kolisi now, or ever...he's basically become the Mandela of rugby.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
28 Sept 2023, 07:43
#7
28 Sept 2023, 07:43#7

I think Kolisi has been hyped up far too long. Really poor captain. Duanne normally does the talking. He can only play one half and when he does, he is normally a ruck inspector or camp out on the side lines. He doesn't like contact and even moaned during an interview having to do a koppe stamp with Eben. He is quick for a forward and he can break tackles when he runs onto smaller backs. But you never see him hit rucks it secure the ball, neither do you see him make big tackles by himself. It is always part of 2 on 1 tackles. Also, the bundy break was his fault as he was supposed to cover that channel. 

I was hoping with Kolisi doing his knee we would get a proper fetcher. 

For me, when the forwards dominate. Kolisi looks brilliant. So I fall for it and think he is in great form. But then a game that counts like against Ireland. He is a no show and leaves after 40 min.

Your captain should be the last player coming off the field. I didn't like John Smit but that guy an engine on him

BO
BokBFClub Pro421 posts
28 Sept 2023, 18:24
#8
28 Sept 2023, 18:24#8

I fully agree King, and someone with a 50 minute battery has no place in my team. But we are stuck with him till retirement or injury. 

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
28 Sept 2023, 18:36
#9
28 Sept 2023, 18:36#9

They got it wrong, PSTD should have been cultivated as a lock as he was when he played for the Sharks and built and strengthen in that position. He stole b alls in the lineout then, even against experienced Matfield. That's a fact.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
28 Sept 2023, 19:21
#10
28 Sept 2023, 19:21#10

Steph's very best showing was his performance in the Kiwi loss, but it was a rather average showing in a team performance that was flaccid for 80 minutes. Steph hasn't been good this year, and his performance against Ireland merely showcased what has become staple aspects of his Mr Bean-esque career. He was never very good at lock or flank. Forget the number on the jersey, the duties around the field have not been good. Consistently terrible defence, poor attack, exceedingly poor ability to read play, there never was anything there. As Damian is at centre, Steph has been in the forwards. It's quite remarkable how they mirror one another. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2023, 20:09
#11
28 Sept 2023, 20:09#11
Bullshit Kolisi has been very good and PSDT won world player of the year at 7 He has rediscovered that form this season Both Kolisi and PSDT have been really good this season Fact
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
28 Sept 2023, 20:17
#12
28 Sept 2023, 20:17#12

I do agree that Steph has had a good season. Just the breakdown was a concern without Marx and Vermuelen to control proceedings. We cant go into a test with 3 ball carriers in the backrow, someone needs to compete on the deck. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2023, 20:33
#13
28 Sept 2023, 20:33#13
PSDT has never been a breakdown operator, it’s not his role in the side We sent on 3 breakdown kings against Ireland in the second half and they failed to effect turnovers either under instruction or they were just shit on the night Fourie, v Staaden and Kwagga were meant to wreck havoc at the breakdown in the second half. Instead we saw the Irish effecting the turnovers partly because these 3 players failed to clear out the Irish. Three small players who made no impression on the Irish at the breakdown The 7/1 split is good in theory but not when 3 of the 7 are lightweights
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Sept 2023, 22:22
#14
28 Sept 2023, 22:22#14

What is his role….ball carrier? A more toothless ball carrier is hard to imagine.

Dud Toit is a lock….unfortunately there are better locks, so they invented this role for him. But if that’s the kind of running you want, give the ball to any of the tight forwards ….they can scarcely do  worse.  Low metres, no tackles beaten, no offloads, lots of ball conceded to the opponent.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Sept 2023, 22:24
#15
28 Sept 2023, 22:24#15
There was no single Bok in 2020 that was clearly head and shoulders above the others…but it had to be a Bok. Then it became a popularity contest.
It should have been Vermeulen, he was miles better than Dud, miles better than anything van der Vlier has ever produced. And he had the tricky job of captaining the team while leaving the illusion that Kolisi is a leader.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
28 Sept 2023, 22:42
#16
28 Sept 2023, 22:42#16
Bullshit PSDT is one of our best carriers in traffic it’s the only reason he was chosen as the best player in the game in 2019 He was our go to when it came to taking it up and it’s a strength of his Give him the ball and he will get over the advantage line, give that same ball to Mostert and he gets smashed backwards
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Sept 2023, 00:20
#17
29 Sept 2023, 00:20#17

In your dreams….he regularly racks up a metre a run unless by accident he gets the ball in space. With his long legs he simply can’t break tackles.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Sept 2023, 07:38
#18
29 Sept 2023, 07:38#18

Hilarious to see these two loons at work. 

They both made the biggest blunder ever when trashing Rassie, Du Toit and the Boks who went on to with coach of the year, player of the year and team of the year. 

Name me a blunder in terms of rugby Judgement than this. It doesn't exist. 

Allende also got very favorable views but they of course trashed him as well.

Now it's reached the point where the Boks have a glass jaw and a soft under belly and Rassie is the worst coach ever.

The resentment and bitterness has led them to become completely unhinged with no sign of recovery. 

So bad is it both are hoping that the  Boks get kicked out of the RWC. They see this as some sort of redemption.

So don't expect any sense from these two nutjob. Their cred is shot and they are now known for their incredible bias. Bwahahahahahaha. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Sept 2023, 07:44
#19
29 Sept 2023, 07:44#19
I'm fine with 95% of the Boks myself, Beeno. Kriel and DDA are my two main concerns. DDA got two runs in that game. Almost everywhere else he contributed either very little other actually cost us. Please rewatch Ireland's final turnover that gave them the penalty in front of our posts. DDA literally stood there and watch Kriel get turned over. He was the nearest man to there but just stood there like his brain was frozen. This doesn't only go against logic...but it defies instinct. Any player, at any level, would instinctively get in there and get over Kriel. No DDA though. I've never had prejudice against players. I simply think some some players add far less value than people seem to think. DDA and Kriel are those two players for me.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Sept 2023, 10:08
#20
29 Sept 2023, 10:08#20

Sorry Plum, we did not lose this game because of Allende and Kriel. 

Bear in mind the superb defence of these two centers. Would Esterhuizen and Moodie have been as good. 

Esterhuizen is no better than Allende. Moodie is better on attack than Kriel but Kriel is tbe better defender. There are pros and cons. 

Anyhow Esterhuizen and Moodie have a chance to to shine against Tonga. 

I personally would like to see Mpimpi before Arendse. I don't like two tiny wings. 

I see some oaks complaining about Williams on tbe wing. Well he could be the fastest player we have. It's by no means a crazy choice. He and Moodie are very quick. If they defend very well who knows what might happen in terms of selection going forward. 

Players have to seize their chances. Esterhuizen didn't. Now he has another chance.

I am not clinging to Allende and Kriel for dear life. I am concerned about how good fefensivemy they are and so far can't see anything much where Esterhuizen is better. Moodie is the guy who 8 hope can temove any doubts. He is a brlliantly creative player. 

I have not been impressed by Reunach. His work rate  has not been good. He has the pace but doesn't assert himself enough. He could drop out of the match 23 if he continues to not give 100 percent. 



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Sept 2023, 10:11
#21
29 Sept 2023, 10:11#21
A metre in contact is the norm it’s what all the real players do. Mostert never achieves that in contact - his only saviour in clocking up metres stats wise is running in space Ask him to take contact and set up the next phase and chances are he will be smashed back or put straight down on contact The guy is physically feeble and if you don’t see that you need your eyes checked. Mostert works in the non contact areas - is that what you want from your Bok 5 or 7 - obviously yes for some of you - for me it’s a big fat NO. A Bok 5 or 7 first and foremost needs to be physical - everything else is secondary and standard - those line out takes or steals, those tackles etc - all secondary It’s like saying Libbok is a shit rugby player because he can’t kick his goals. Mostert is not good because he takes his line outs and makes 10 ankle grabbing tackles a game - he is a Bok lock for crying out loud - talk about selling the side short physically Just look at the guy in the team photos he is no bigger than our 12’s, slightly taller with less muscle mass. It’s a joke 10 years ago he should have been told to put on 10kg it’s exactly what Jake has said to his captain at the Bulls in Ruan Nortje - he is another Mostert. Let’s hope Nortje conforms as he is a talented player but a physical liability
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
29 Sept 2023, 10:21
#22
29 Sept 2023, 10:21#22

Beeno...We don't know if AE and Moodie would have performed better.

What we do know is this...

Kriel fluffed and easy try by chucking the ball into Kolisi's face when Kolisi was there to clean out for him.

DDA dropped a regulation catch that could easily have resulted in a try...at the very least a good amount of territory if he just caught it.

DDA failed to clean out in front of our posts when he was right there. He literally watched us get turned over...my memory of it was wrong though as it didn't result in a penalty. But this is the type of thing DDA does...he just freezes, and doesn't know what to do.

Watch it at 0.25 speed...you can literally see him being totally confused. He then stands there...puts a h and on the ruck...not helping at all...takes ages and then kinda wanders off to the side as though he's now gonna defend. Why is he not getting in there? He sees it's only one player getting the better of us...and does nothing. It defies every rugby instinct players should have in that moment.

Watch this video from the 01:11 minute mark.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,224 posts
03 Oct 2023, 00:18
#23
03 Oct 2023, 00:18#23

Steph will probably start against France. However, if he is not having a good game, I think he will be subbed shortly after half time

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