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Have the kiwis at last been found out

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Sept 2013, 11:21
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24 Sept 2013, 11:21#1

Of course Beeno twigged onto what was happening years agao and the world is only just catching up now.

Rooitwit used to flip his lid if any one dared crit a ref and particullry if itwas adecision against the Boks. Wee cowboys dont cry was his mottoo.

But its amazing really as its hard to stay miffed with the kiweis. Theyare undoubtedly a charming bunch of rouges. Beware oaks of the kiwi charm offensive!

ExSupersport - by Brendon Nel

 

Bismarck du Plessis’ red card in Auckland may have a much bigger impact on the game of rugby than just raising the temperatures of Springbok rugby fans.

For years now the All Blacks have built a history of success, based on their impressive skills, unbelievable organisational ability, consistency, and the added bonus of having referees lean their way in crucial contests.

It certainly was like that on the pitch on Saturday in Auckland, and it certainly was like that in 2011 when Craig Joubert leaned firmly in their favour in the Rugby World Cup final.

They were the better side in Wellington on the day, but they also got the rub from referee Jaco Peyper with decisions that made it easier for them to dominate Australia.(Why do SA refs favour Nz - ditto Oz refs?)

There are countless examples of this. Remember Alain Rolland in 2011 telling Richie McCaw three times that “this is your final warning” – and then penalising McCaw again for the same infringement at the breakdown but somehow forgetting his card. (Surely that was Kaplan?)

And how many times can Ma’a Nonu get away with a coathanger tackle that is both illegal and immoral, and then still have Steve Hansen defend him afterwards as if it was ok? (Always remeber oaks hansen wass schooled by Sir garham)

We won’t forget Brad Thorne’s dumping of John Smit – an incident which wasn’t even cited either.

When it comes to physicality, they’re no different from the rest of the world, but their holier-than-thou attitude at times borders on arrogance, and while all teams tend to cross the line, there is certainly an attitude that butter couldn’t melt in their own mouths in that part of the world. (Hahahhahahahaha as I said they are the mosyt charming of rougues and they keep you off balance like that. While all sorts of cheating is going on on the field we have that fabulaous oak Justin marshall and others telling us how we are getting a raw deal and we feel all good about these kiwis! Man we are SURE UP AGAINST IT!)

There is one thing that you learn by touring New Zealand. They expect to win. It comes down to their mindset, their inner being and the fact they have built up the best record of success that world rugby has seen.(YES BUT LOOK AT THE STATS YOU GIVE BELOW - HAD WE HAD THOSE STATS IN OUR FAVOUR WHAT WOULD THE RECORD LOOK LIKE?)

It is a remarkable run, and one that makes it so much harder for teams to win in the Land of the Long White Cloud.

For that they deserve to be applauded. While Springbok teams have shot themselves in the foot more times than not, the All Blacks simply move on.

Their central contracting system is geared towards the national team, players get sabbaticals when they are tired and they are always best conditioned when the Castle Lager Rugby Championship rolls around.

They have a habit of winning and use every bit of intimidation to influence the opposition.

Whether it is leaving a broken scrum machine that nearly injured Bok players in Auckland last week (wHAT A SCANDAL!!!!!), or the way they intimidate referees, there is a concerted effort across the board to ensure they win every inch, both on or off the field.

South Africa could learn from this mentality. Provincialism has eroded support for the Boks over the years and one just has to look at the comments column of any rugby website to see that we’re definitely not a nation united behind the Boks.

The IRB is partly to blame for this of course.

The last two heads of referees have been New Zealanders, and they have ensured that their philosophy of reffing the game has been instituted across the world.

Paddy O’Brien, the former head of referees even had to apologise to New Zealand for Stuart Dickinson’s performance in 2009 when the All Blacks played against Italy.

This is the same O’Brien who defended Bryce Lawrence, who he owns race-horses with, for his 2011 performance in Wellington when the Boks were bundled out of the World Cup in shocking fashion.

Former England flyhalf and SkySports commentator Stuart Barnes hits the nail on the head in a column he penned this week about how New Zealand get all the breaks.

The breaks going the way of New Zealand are becoming too familiar a pattern in New Zealand. They are the world's leading team and the best benefit from sympathetic officiating in all sports but this pattern is disturbing,” Barnes wrote.

Every small decision seems to be interpreted New Zealand's way. Even when the All Blacks suffered two indisputable yellow cards in the last 10 minutes when the game was won the referee took their side. Nonu went for the aforementioned late charge, but Conrad Smith escaped a cynical hand in the ruck metres from the line.

New Zealand Herald writer Gregor Paul – who was almost alone in agreeing with Steve Hansen’s assertion that the second yellow for Du Plessis should have been a red – believes it’s all a conspiracy against the world’s best side.

“That's kind of what the All Blacks are facing at the moment: every time they win, there are allegations that they cheat and get away with it or the ref copped out and went soft on them,” Paul wrote in his column in the New Zealand Herald.

“The facts are a little different. Since winning the World Cup, the All Blacks have picked up eight yellow cards while their opponents have collectively gathered nine and one red.”

However a stat that is relevant is that the All Blacks have received 46 cards in 166 tests, while the Boks have got 77 in 164 games this millennium.

Does anyone really believe the Boks are twice as bad as the All Blacks when it comes to discipline? (A RESOUNDING NO)

The IRB have a lot to cop here, from their insistence that teams can’t approach the haka, and have to stay 20 metres back from the opposing team, to the manner they fete New Zealand at every single turn.

It is even more apparent at Sevens level, where coaches regularly talk about how there is one set of rules for New Zealand, and another for the rest.

And in fifteens, those more flippant than me refer to the unwritten code that “you may not touch Richie McCaw or Dan Carter” (apparently rule 10.0.9.1.a, written in hobbit ink).

But far from blaming everything on the Kiwis, it is also fair to point out they have been good in manipulating play, influencing referees and have simply taken every chance they were given.

As we all know, the team that is on top on the scoreboard usually gets the breaks and they have made good use of these.

Poite’s performance got the IRB to issue a statement for the first time in history on a refereeing performance.

This in itself is significant, and hints towards a shift in the world organisation now that a New Zealander is not in charge anymore. (Great News!!)

Saturday’s travesty of justice isn’t the first in the long history between these two sides and there are books littered with referee complaints over the last 100 years.

But it was one where the role of the whistleblower in being intimidated came to the fore rather starkly.

The IRB needs to look at itself and the way it handles the world champions. Ensuring dominance of one side isn’t in the long-term interest of the game. Falling over backwards to grace the black jersey at every turn will only breed resentment.

World rugby needs a rivalry again that will draw crowds and give parity to the game. World rugby needs to see the All Blacks judged on their merits whether they are still leaps and bounds ahead of the rest.

New Zealand also need to look at themselves and realise they do get the rub of the green. To constantly claim innocence is as ridiculous as Steve Hansen trying to deflect questions about Nonu’s tackling style.

Springbok rugby needs to be smarter, tougher and take the game more to the All Blacks.

Bok players need to take their responsibility in reigniting the rugby rivalry that we all want, a rivalry that in 1981 almost tore New Zealand apart. The Boks need to be much better, and they know it.

The referees for their part play an important role. Refereeing is in big trouble when there is not one Sanzar referee who can officiate such a game, and the differences between South and North are still so apparent.

For every Poite, there are 1000 referees just doing their best and they deserve to be applauded, not condemned.

But they also need to take responsibility and ensure that they are not influenced by the crowd, the aura and the invincibility tag of the players.

It is a tough job at the top, but as in any high-profile sport, they need to take their side of responsibility as well.

The All Blacks are favoured – no doubt about that. But they are favoured because for the other 70% of the time they do things so well. Referees simply start to believe they can do no wrong.

Let’s hope this is the line in the sand that is drawn that levels the playing fields.

Let’s hope teams can face the haka and move forward to the halfway line once again. Let’s hope a final warning for an All Black is a final warning and professional fouls are penalised as they should be.

Otherwise the All Blacks will continue to protest innocence in every manner (As will their fans I dare say!), and the rest of the world will shrug and say “same old, same old.” (As Beeno has said repeatedly for some time)

If there isn’t a level playing field – at least from a reffing point of view – the game as a whole will suffer.(As we saw)

Well said Brendon. But lets also realise that given the biased stats in their favour the abs test record would be very different if impartial refs had been officiating.

I do  trust our Kiwis will not adopt their butter wont melt in their mouths approach and acknowlwdge the truth here and work towards cleaning up their act.

That Gregor Paul oak is no role model Kiwis rather be led into the light by Beeno.

 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
24 Sept 2013, 11:40
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24 Sept 2013, 11:40#2

 So many words [ that I couldnt be arsed reading ] for so little information and zero facts .......yawn .

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
24 Sept 2013, 12:44
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24 Sept 2013, 12:44#3

it is called Tall Poppy Syndrome!

Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term primarily used in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other Anglosphere nations to describe a social phenomenon in which people of genuine merit, in this case the All Blacks, are resented, attacked, cut down, or criticised because their talents or achievements elevate them above or distinguish them from their peers.

Hakwa happy to provide much needed insight to Beano, Redsman and their compatriots!

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KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
24 Sept 2013, 13:01
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24 Sept 2013, 13:01#4

 Beeno1, this reasoning is insane. If you can blame a player directly for the decision of the referee then in the same way I can blame you for the decisions of nationalist politicians. Thus, you, Beeno1 is responsible for me suffering under apart-hate.

Dont even try arguing it away! Only daft people will follow this course. ThecABs benefitted from the ref (according to you) and you benefitted from PW and FW and their predesessors.

Daft reasoning for sure.

There are incompetent refs, but I seriously doubt a deliberate croocked one.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
24 Sept 2013, 19:16
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24 Sept 2013, 19:16#5

brendon nel is ur typical Bok fan, a big baby waah waah, and whne i say big, i mean big, cos that dude is one braai away from a heart attack.

but his articles have always been about opinon and nothing of substance, if he was being an unbiased journo, he would of done his home work before opening his fat uneducated mouth,,,
"but they also got the rub from referee Jaco Peyper with decisions that made it easier for them to dominate Australia."

heres the simple fact, peyper was more lenient towards the wallabies then he was ther All Blacks, and unlike that fat turd, im not speaking from opinion, im speaking from cold hare core facts -
www.sarugby.com/forum.cfm
the best thin about this post was not a single saffa or saffa wannabe even tried to refute any of this and those same guys would run to other threads and say peyper was harsh on the All Blacks, only to bnever be seen on that thread again after i challneged them to back their comments up with the same link provided and i did this many many many times only for no one to accept the challenge, like the Boks running with ball in hand.

nels articles are boring as, kiwi tony johnson posts articles too, and just take a look at the response from the 90% majority of saffas compared those who reply on nels articles.
someything tells me hes a little jealous and is throwing a tantrum to try and get more people to notice him cos every week TJ will get at least 5 comments about how they only read supersport for him, while nel on his best day cant barley get 5 people to comment on his.

maybe nel should tap into his saffa roots and start another mundane facebook page???

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2013, 19:30
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24 Sept 2013, 19:30#6

@Sasuke. I never blame the ref for a loss, or at least I try my best not to. Ou Beeno has been on my case because I said that Bryce Lawrence had a bad game in 2011. My words were: "He had a bad day at the office................". My opinion has always been that the Boks were responsible for losing that game. There were a few things that went wrong. They never tried a single drop goal when they were in range. They didn't go for poles and tried to keep/get the scoreboard rolling. The "great" Schalk Burger butchered a try. FDP, as good as his decission making normally is, was not good on the day. Specially his decission making. We had a few penalties within ragne and he decided to take quick taps. And then the biggest balls-up of it al when we, despite Lawrence's balls-ups, and all of the aforementioned, handed them match-winning penalty. The saddest part is that it was one fo my favourites, Danie Rossouw, who gave away the penalty.

 

Having said that, there is no way that you guys can dispute the fact that there is no doubt that NZ are handled with gloves. There are just too many examples of that. I was looking for something else on You Tube just now, and once again stumbled onto something. Two video clips. The first one goyt Jean de Villiers suspended. Listen to Stuart Dickenson's advise after yet another underhanded deliberate spear tackle by "the squeaky clean" Brad Thorn.

 

www.youtube.com/watch

 

www.youtube.com/watch

 

Yes, it is not the players' fault, but somebody is not doing the All Blacks many favours with the way the games are reffed.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
24 Sept 2013, 20:23
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24 Sept 2013, 20:23#7

@ceradyne,

stuart dickheadson is one of the worst refs ever

in saying that when smit asked was that not a spear, he replied hes not sure, even though the touchie who he had been speaking to moments earlier said thorn lifted smit and upeneded him and then dropped him.

that dosent prove NZ are handled with gloves, that just proves that dickenson is a mong. if the touchie had just siad brad thorn speared smit and should be yellowed, i dont think this woudl even be an example, but ive learned a long time ago not to understimate dickensons dumbassness.

there are many examples of the Boks and hepas of other All Blacks opponents getting things to roll their way too, the difference is the boohoo choir esepcially from but not exclusive to Boks supporters, bitch and moan about it to such an extent that all anyone can do is focus on the few incidents the All Blacks do get away with, instead of the ones their won teams dont.

after the wllington bledisloe u hear heaps about nonus shoulder on slipper, but how many did u hear about slippers shoulder on woodcock???

the way most people comment, its like the All Blacks have never been penalised in a game and that fat pig breandan nel is another prime rib saffa example.

the sheer volume of grumpy unfounded rubbish comments is staggering, one that IMO thats stems from the simple reality that the no matter how good any team is, they will never be as good as the All Blacks.
and the volume of moaning biatches is the only thing that gives it momentum.

the rub of the green goes both ways, its up to the team how they respond and overcome it, the All Blacks know how to do this, and no other team does.

if refs handle kiwis with glovesm then somebody obviously didnt give wayne barnes that memo aye??? can u recall any time where a plsyer has been yellow carded for obstruction, and im bening serious, cos i can only recall one.

u say u dont ever blame the ref, fair enough ive never seen u do it, but including u i can still count on one hand the number of saffas who blame the ref for everything.
and BTW, i always thought that thorn was lucky to not get yellow carded for that spear, even thoughin his mind he was provoked by smit, it was still an unexcusable act, cos discpline is a key component of the All Blacks game and that was not.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 00:32
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25 Sept 2013, 00:32#8
Beeno I will keep my response brief and to the point. Too much drivel and too little fact.
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