15 Sept 2014, 15:23#1
Kicks from hand:9 - Isreal Dagg 8 - Aaron Cruden, Francois Hougaard, Willie Le Roux 6 - Aaron Smith, Handre Pollard
Clean Breaks: 2 - Cornal Hendricks
Defenders Beaten: 4 - Ben Smith 2 - Cornal Hendricks, Richie McCaw, Julian Savea
Tackles: 24 - Jan Serfontein 21 - Marcel Coetzee 19 - Victor Matfield 17 - Tendia Mtawarira 14 - Richie McCaw
Tackles missed:8 - Jannie Du Plessis 4 - Jean De Villiers
Turnovers:3 - Bryan Habana 2 - Duane Vermeulen 1 - Bismarck Du Plessis, Marcel Coetzee, Sam Cane
Handling errors:6 - Aaron Smith 5 - Willie Le Roux 3 - Bryan Habana, Cornal Hendricks, Kieran Read, Dane Coles
Lineouts stolen: 2 - Brodie Retallick 1 - Victor Matfield, Marcel Coetzee, Aaron Smith
I do not support statistics as they miss many contexts, but the one piece of statistics that interested me was tackles and missed tackles.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Sept 2014, 15:37#2
Dont talk rubbish matfiled is the greatest lock ever and never ever shaded in the lineouts.
Jan tackled exceptionally well. I see his center partner wee victor as almost as good apart from going backwards meters in the tackle. Dis aaron Smith steal a lineout? Was it against victor. I know we lost three in a row.
PAPakie
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15 Sept 2014, 15:43#3
Beeno, our lineout record was 100% between Strauss and Matfield. Then Bismarck comes on and we lose three in a row. How does it make sense to squarely blame Matfield for that?
Do you perhaps have the final team tackle counts Shezza?
15 Sept 2014, 15:52#4
No, these statistics only show the top 10 for each stat. I took the time out and removed the Aussie and Argentinians.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2014, 15:57#5
Shezza
Which stats did you use? The above info is not in line with the stats used by ESPN - which most people on this site use.
ESPN gave the tackles made by Matfield as 17 and the missed tackles 3. Other stats are also questionable.
I have in the past says that it is often enough not tackles that counts - but more the quality of the tackles. Matfield's tackles are low quality tackles and there is normally quick ball recovery from those.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2014, 16:08#6
Yeah and how many tackles has Jean missed this year......he used to be ok in this department but the old man is no longer making his tackles and is offering nothing on attack other than the crash ball.....its time for Jean to go NOW
RORooinek
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RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Sept 2014, 16:13#7
Jean de Villiers has been a great servant of South African rugby but it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify his place in the team as he's no longer the best in his position.
Well done to Jean for reaching the milestone of 100 tests after the terrible start he had to his teat career. I say give Jean these last two tests . . . so it doesn't look like we just let him get to 100 and then dumped him . . . and let's pick some new blood on the year end tour. That will allow Jean to retire with a bit of dignity and a magnificent 102 tests under his belt.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2014, 16:36#9
Mozart
matfield a;lso slost two line outs - you so conveniently forget about. The quality of tackles made by Matfield was gen erally poor - the quality of Coetzee top notch.

sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
15 Sept 2014, 16:57#10
I doubt Jannie missed eight tackles because he does not attempt that many tackles, even though he does miss most of his tackles. He must the worst tackler in Springbok history
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2014, 17:08#12
Jannie is the wrong shape for tackling....his huge barrel chest bounces the other guys off. Who ever thunk Jannie would still be in and Bismarck would be struggling on the bench.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Sept 2014, 17:41#13
Mozart
How right you are - Jannie is the wrong shape - or rather he is so out of shape - he lasts two or three scrums and then goes into retreat. Well past his prime - your national treasure - I am afraid.
AJArthur John
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AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
15 Sept 2014, 19:07#16
Rooinek you make a very strong point on how to ease Jean out of the team gracefully.
Hope that the powers that be read it and do what has to be done for a great servant to Springbok rugby.
Thanks.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2014, 19:16#17
No nation uses the term ....a great servant of.....more often than South Africans. It's never heard in the States for example. Hackneyed and over used it probably has subliminal links to our past and should be gone.
As for easing Jean out.....balls. We play him while he is the best option, and if there is somebody better, he gets dropped....like every other rugby player. That's the way Jean who is a warrior, would choose.