sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
06 Dec 2013, 04:24#2
Is Rugby now a 9-man game?
NUnukefreekiwi
Club Pro441 posts
NUnukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
06 Dec 2013, 04:26#3
Link was named Dreamer of the year with his master plan to beat the All Blacks LOL
Lol, that's classic Hakwa. If anyone deserves that award it would have to be Ewan "ate all the pies" McKenzie.
It's also pretty cool that so many ABs (7) were picked for the world 15. I had to laugh that so few Saffas made the grade. Sign of the times I suppose. I think the team is a fair reflection of the strength of NZ rugby.
06 Dec 2013, 06:14#4
Hahaha good one ,hey Cloudy "de-nial " is where beandip paddles around oblivious to everything .Poor old "Jowels" Mackfatty , a critter can dream cant it ?
CLClaydog
Club Pro691 posts
06 Dec 2013, 06:27#5
In all seriousness why would any of the Wallabies have been named. Israel could be forgiven for feeling left out but otherwise we did have a pretty ordinary run for most of the year.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Dec 2013, 10:02#8
World XV: Leigh Halfpenny (Wales), Ben Smith (NZ), Conrad Smith (NZ), Wesley Fofana (France), George North (Wales), Aaron Cruden (NZ), Aaron Smith (NZ), Kieran Read (NZ), Sam Warburton (Wales), Liam Messam (NZ), Sam Whitelock (NZ), Eben Etzebeth (South Africa), Adam Jones (Wales), Bismarck de Plessis (South Africa) Alex Corbisiero (England)
Player of the year: Kieran Read (NZ)
What a very poor selection.Willie Le Roux is easily the most creative back in world rugby.Habana long before ben Smith - pleeeeease!Conrad carthorse smith.Bwahahahhahahaahhahaha JJ before him any day of the weekWhere is Jean de Villiers easily the best 12 in world rugby this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!Aaron smith - you have to be joking!!!!!Cruden -we must be at alow point re flyhalves in the worldSam warburton - sidesplitting selection - totally rediculous!Liam Messam???????????????????????? he is anon entityBeast before Adam do nothing Jones. Anyone trying to sell Ben Smith, Conrad. Cruden, Aaron Smith. Messam and Reid as being the best in their position in the world are less than half wits.
Kiweran Reid before Vermulen. a hatters choice.The Stormers would whip this teamFor what its worth only one ab tight forward makes the team. Messam is an insult and Reid a show pony. One nz player in the backline not mentioned is Savea. He should be in.Cant see a place for many abs in a world side. Proof is they were outplayed in many games this year but though ref assiatance and incredible luck managed to win.
That team is a complete load of crud.
06 Dec 2013, 14:04#11
Hey redneck your game mentioning the s15s , considering the Mighty Chiefs schooled the aussie donkey boys ....again ! Only you and beandork skite about being beaten ,must be some sort of Sado-Masochism thing you 2 have going on there !
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
06 Dec 2013, 15:00#12
Beeno, Le Roux stands out in SA because he's a rarity a creative, running back, in NZ he would be ho hum, Kiwi's produce backs like him at drop of a hat, though he has the Andre Joubert look about him. If you think your opinion supercedes professionals who selected the team,well it matches your year in year out predictions about the Boks beating the AB's.....crap.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Dec 2013, 16:07#13
Well said Polyboy - very true!
06 Dec 2013, 20:16#14
Polyboy, New Zealand don't create backs like Willie Le Roux. You have backs that play the basics to fantastic standard,s but I don't see either Ben Smith, Julian Savea, Dagg, Conrad Smith, Nonu and Cory Jane creating chances like Le Roux. King Carter and Sonny Bill are the only players I can think of that can create something from nothing, get your horrible biasness away from here.
06 Dec 2013, 22:44#15
Le Roux i see is another snake like Cruden and Folau...Big snake fan here ...very slippery customers and find myself agreeing with Bean Brain about how Le Roux would be not out of place in a World XV at fullback if Dagg was'nt available...one of SA's best at Ellis Park...loved that faceplant... and went oh so near again if not for the speed of Beauden Barret tipping his foot into touch...quality player...
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
07 Dec 2013, 04:07#16
Shezza, you must be watching a parallel universe team because all those AB backs you mention create, complete and score tries with ease. Le Roux would be lucky to make the bench on a 2nd division new Zealand team.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 17:50#17
why would their be any wallabies, they have been shit on by the top teams in the world and can barley gain parity against the others.
folau was the only wallaby standout which isnt hard to do considering how shit they have been under mackenzie and his too sweet diabetes rugby.
leigh half penny had a much better season and is deserved of the world XVs fullback spot.
my world 15 would have been,,,
1 a corbisiero (ENG)
2 bizzy (SA)
3 m castrogiovanni (ITL)
4 lady elizabeth (SA)
5 b retallick (NZL)
6 l messam (NZL)
7 s warburton (WAL)
8 k read (NZL)
9 a smith (NZL)
10 a cruden (NZL)
11 j savea (NZL)
12 w fofana (FRA)
13 c snake (NZL)
14 b smith (NZL)
15 l halfpenny (WAL)
my only changes would be brodie retallick for sam whitelock, j savea for g north.
unlucky to miss out are a strauss, d vermeulen, m nonu and i folau.
MDMonkey D Luffy
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MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 18:03#18
@ shezza,
"Polyboy, New Zealand don't create backs like Willie Le Roux. You have
backs that play the basics to fantastic standard,s but I don't see
either Ben Smith, Julian Savea, Dagg, Conrad Smith, Nonu and Cory Jane
creating chances like Le Roux. King Carter and Sonny Bill are the only
players I can think of that can create something from nothing, get your
horrible biasness away from here."
like what that saffa musem said about the first Bok and All Black encounter in his thread about the Bok experince, im hardly surprised to see u totally sharbok urself with this comment.
le roux has played well for the Boks, but never forget how easy the opponents were for the Boks in 2013.
do u remeber willie playing fullback against the All Blacks and wallabies???
no, cos he would have been killed.
the only reason saffas are up in arms with willie is cos saffas have F all good attacking backs, so when u have one finally come through on an attacking level like like where willie is, its only natural for the saffas to orgasm over willie, while the kiwis just laugh.
dagg, piutau, jane, b smith can all create and finish like willie, but unlike willie, we do it against the worlds best, not just against the likes of scotland , samoa etc.
and then theres willies defence, which IMO is why meyer didnt want to risk playing willie at fullback against the wallys or All Blacks, u only need to look at willie le rouxs last test against the All Blacks where he missed every single one of his tackles to know that his defnece is not even at ITM level, let alone spXV or RC/4nats.
ur not to blame for ur sharkbok like comments though, saffas are very inexperienced at identifying what makes a good fullback, and thats not ur fault, thats the Boks fault and the DNA of their rugby which has been historically a non enterprising snore fest, so just trust us on this tpoic, cos the average kiwi knows a thing or two about what makes a good exciting fullback,
07 Dec 2013, 18:53#19
I never said anything about him playing fullback or wing, I just said he creates more chances than any of the All Black backs, which is true. Neither did I say finish tries, I said create chances as he's like a second playmaker.
Make your judgement over one match can only show one thing, you don't know rugby or you're trying to start an argument over nothing with no credible point.Humi
You need to shutup sometimes, your Kiwi bias is shown through with your noses poking out of your mouths because of how far you have your heads stuck up your arses.
Humbleness would go far in most Kiwi's lives, nearly as bad as the Welsh with how biased you are.
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Dec 2013, 19:02#20
Halfpenny is a joke as the 15. Folau was the best, followed by Willie and Dagg. Cooper was better than Cruden and no way in hell was Warburton the best openside.......Hooper was better
07 Dec 2013, 19:33#21
I was the best - don't know what they saw in Read
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Dec 2013, 19:55#22
@shazza,
first off, i didnt give u permission to reply to me, so next time ask ok??? im pretty generous though and always have time lesser rugby minds such as urself, so chacnes are i would have allowed u to anyway,
"I never said anything about him playing fullback or wing, I just said he
creates more chances than any of the All Black backs, which is true.
Neither did I say finish tries, I said create chances as he's like a
second playmaker."
secondly, just cos us say he creates more chances dosent mean he does.
and what exactly are the numbers shazza???
maybe one should takes ones advice and pull their own head form their own ass???
by numbers i mean like in the try assist department le roux had 8 try assists compared to daggs 7 for the season.
le rouxs 8 try assists were against scotland, pumas, italy and one against the wallys.
daggs try assists came against wallabies, france and england.
this dosent tell who created the most opportunities though, but it is worth noting that daggs try assists came against the powerhouse nations of world rugby, while all but one of le rouxs were against with due respect to those nations, piss easy barley in the top 10 minnow teams.
anyway, i look forward to reading the numbers which has u making such bold claims, but dont worry, im not expecting to see them, cos truth based on opinion is the majority of every saffas bloggers bread and butter,
08 Dec 2013, 01:44#24
If Le Roux played for the All Blacks he would get the credit he deserves. Either way I've said nothing on Kiwi forwards, I wouldn't as I don't watch them regularly / don't take notice of them in game (Except when an individual wins a game, like Read did in Ellis Park). He is a more creative player, he's the most creative player in the world right now, but he's not the best as you lot think I'm saying.
Sasuke, you're barely worth responding everything you do on here is an attempt to troll Saffa's, get from me.
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
08 Dec 2013, 16:53#25
Shezza still disagree regarding most creative, he just appears creative because he plays in a side where creativity is non existant. He is an exception in a system where back play is not a instinctive natural part of the Bok game. Backs like Le Roux are everywhere in the NZ game because creativity is encouraged from a young age. Stick him in NZ and he may not make the AB side due to positional competition.
08 Dec 2013, 17:14#26
That's why throughout the Super 15 he created opportunities against most opposition , including most of the Kiwi teams he faced (Except Chiefs). None of the Kiwi players can match Le Roux on creativity, just look at the BaaBaa's game where when he came on he dictated play, Piutau created nothing in that game. Boks still have a game changer in Habana and a attacking threat in De Villiers, both of those players would start for the All Blacks. Name a Kiwi back like Le Roux then, I'll guarantee that none of the players you'll mention are as creative as Le Roux.
MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
08 Dec 2013, 17:36#27
@shazza,
"If Le Roux played for the All Blacks he would get the credit he deserves."
thats stupid know nothing about backline play mentality at its best.
le roux and his current style would never be good enough for the All Blacks, his defence s complete and utter shite.
wracht the ellis park test and see ur hero miss every single one of his tackles, WTF is that all about???
i know le roux can attack and create some enterprising opportunities, but as plyboy has mentioned time and time again, its easy to look like an attacking genius when the rest of the team are attacking retards (bar habana).
NZ have a ton of players who can attack like le roux without being a defnesive mongoul.
andre taylor had a 2012 season which was a million times better then anything that le roux has ever done, and he couldnt even make the sqaud.
and while i do love to troll the locals, it only annoys u boys cos u know its the truth, le roux is far from proven and dont be surprised to see meyer hide him on the wing when the All Blacks come around to beat ur Boks again.
and heres another fact, cheetahs wont make the finals in the spXV, dont know who theyre playing, but their fixtures wont be anywhere near as easy as it was this year.
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
08 Dec 2013, 21:48#28
Shezza you already named Piutau, Andre Taylor, mentioned already as well, Cruden, Ben Smith, Savea, Nonu Habana and DeVilliers would start an AB bench, we have game changers bred in NZ which is why we win games, that is proof enough creativity breeds game defining moments resulting in wins...pretty much defines the AB's.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 00:13#29
I will grant th e kiwis they are the most creative folk around - in a criminal sense that is!
By the way did you polynesian types see how a Samoan player hold the ball againt the Argie players chest and the ref gave the Argie a yellow. TALKING ABOUT SEVENS SEMIS. This creative talent is endemic down that way. Bwhahahahahaha
NUnukefreekiwi
Club Pro441 posts
NUnukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
09 Dec 2013, 05:40#31
Oh dear. Redneck the most obtuse and hate fuelled poster to ever pollute this forum has the audacity to accuse cloudy of being hostile and anti Australian. Lol! Surely you can't be so lacking in self awareness to realise that you are the bitter, hate fuelled racist with a psychotic angst against all things Kiwi. You have been provoking kiwis with the same caustic drivel for over 2 years now and I have not yet read a solitary post from you that doesn't contain some kind of vicious, over zealous barb directed at NZers. You are the one who is so desperate for attention that you come to a SAn forum hoping to find similarly disturbed allies on your crusade against the Kiwis.
Honestly, this bitterness is eating you up. There is a deep hatred inside you that goes beyond the historical rivalry between Aussies and Kiwis. There is something much deeper fuelling the flames. I suspect you know what it is but are far too ashamed to ever admit it on an open forum. I suggest you discuss whatever is bothering you with a medical professional before someone gets seriously hurt. This anger is not healthy and it raises serious questions about your mental stability. Seriously red, get some help.
JWJust_win
Captain18,570 posts
JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
09 Dec 2013, 10:55#36
Redsman: your're not looking too good mate it has been a long tough year for you Ozzies. Glad to see you can still mutter a few words from time to time - even if it is the same ol' drivel.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Dec 2013, 11:26#37
Redsman I see you are a thinking man rather than a sheep. The St Mandela bubble will be burst when serious history is written. He himself asked not to be put on a pedastal. I could go into more detail but will refrain for compassion re his groupies who think the world has ended. Anything good that happens is madiba magic and even the rain from the heavens above is thanks to madiba.
As for Oz a pretty good year. Rugby League Champions. Cricket on the rise and rugby also.Alas the abs are on the decline and not much else happens down nz way. Boating was a disaster as well and only one world boxing champ in over a 100 years. I appeal to all kiwis to try and up the dismal sporting performance of their country.
JW no more jealousy about Oz outperforming you guys year on year.
09 Dec 2013, 12:26#38
had we known Cloudy, we would not have felt sorry for them and let them win in the 1995 RWC. That (and Suzie) out of the way, we definitely showed them in 1996 who was truely Number 1 .
