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Heyneke Meyer’s mission: Build a fifteen-man Springboks side; By biltongbek; the ROAR

Started by Just_win10 REPLIES224 VIEWS· 15 Oct 2014, 20:05
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2014, 20:05
#1
15 Oct 2014, 20:05#1

How often do we hear it said that the Wallabies have the backs, the Springboks have the forwards and the All Blacks have both?

It is a common theme that runs whenever we discuss the abilities of each of these teams. However, when you really think about it, the debate should rather be focused around the mindset and rugby culture of each of these nations.

South Africa have always believed in the archaic system of using their forward pack to establish dominance, their backs are there to collect the ball, tackle the opposition and kick the ball away so that the forwards can play the game.

The opposite is true in Australia, the forwards merely serve as the necessary stock to restart the game. Their presence is only tolerated due to the fact that selecting backline players in the pack is not possible – fast players do not have the necessary size and strength to compete at the set phases.

New Zealand on the other hand have at some point in the past, realised that the presence of forwards are not only necessary for the set phases, but also highly effective in attack. Hence their total commitment to a complete player, be he a forward or a back.

Over the past century the battle lines have been drawn, teams have been identified and have cemented their reputations based on these cultures to a point where perception has become a reality for most of us.

Heyneke Meyer has the opportunity to change that perception. It is up to him to convince the SARU that South Africa should embrace a fifteen-man game. But before he does that, he needs to be sold on it himself.

Thus far dipping the toe infrequently has only shown glimpses of what the Springbok team is truly capable of, the truth of the matter is I have always believed that we can embrace a fifteen-man game, and there has been enough evidence over the past 18 months that if Meyer does choose to accept this mission he can and will be successful with it.

Yes, he will still lose matches to superior teams and the odd one to others, but he will bury inferior teams, the regularity with which inferior teams on their day come within a score of an upset or manage to win matches that they really shouldn’t, will become less frequent and ultimately be a thing of the past.

If Meyer takes a leaf out of the All Blacks’ book, it will be that you have to be relentless and remorseless in your attempt to annihilate any opposition all the time. The ‘aura’ New Zealand has built over the years is one of domination over inferior opponents to the point where there is little or no belief of a victory over the Blackness, an aura not evident about the Springboks.

Another point Meyer can pick up from New Zealand is that whenever a team manages to come close, draw or beat them, there is a collective obsession to avenge such a poor performance.

The difference between the first two Bledisloe Tests this year is the perfect example of this remorseless obsession. Australia managed a draw in the first Test, gained some confidence prior to the next, and before they could say “right we are”, the All Blacks smashed them by 30 points.

Although the focus will always be to catch New Zealand, it is important that the Springboks must first learn to annihilate inferior opponents. They need to establish an aura similar to that of New Zealand. The focus must be to break the spirit of any pretender who wants to surpass their standing in world rugby.

Pulling the proverbial rabbit out of the hat when conditions suit and hiding the rabbit when conditions aren’t perfect will only bring hesitancy and doubt about this new approach to rugby.

For the complete approach to become second nature, the Springboks need to live and breathe the fifteen-man game. To become efficient with the ball in hand approach, they must practice it and employ it in every match. They must continue learning as they make mistakes and improving their skills, instinct and decision making ability.

Only then will they close the gap and become the number one side in the world.

Meyer’s mission is simple. Go to Europe, pulverise your opponents, and come home.

Heyneke, you accept this mission?

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Oct 2014, 20:13
#2
15 Oct 2014, 20:13#2
 Not sure it it true the Boks always believed in the forwards only & screw the backs. I seem to recall posters on this site saying this was not the case way back. It's good to see the way the Bok game is evolving under Meyer.
The author makes some good points about Boks needing to show they can consistently put away weaker teams. We will see how the European tour goes.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Oct 2014, 20:32
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15 Oct 2014, 20:32#3
 Meyer is slowly getting his act together.   The fact that he after more than two years got Morne Styeyn out of the squad is a first step.   He also got in Willie le Roux adding some punch to the backline attack.
There are further steps necessary like -
*   finding another wing that could defend as well -  Hendricks is good in attack, but useless in defense;
*   getting the center combination right.
*   getting the loosie combination right; and 
*   looking at the props with potential ouster of Jannie du Plessis
Lets look at the above: -
Selecting a good enough Wing
Meyer has plenty of options here - but is likely to remain with the tried and tested JP Pietersen.    The latter has a pace deficiency though - so there are plenty of the other wings that could fit in.   I can think of at least 5 or 6 who are good enough to come into contention.
Getting the center combination right
I think Meeyer is satosfied with the present three centers in the squad - and wants to persist with De Allende at 13.   He asked Coetzee to ensure that De Allende plays at 13 for the Stormers next year in Super 15  to give him experience in that position.
The other options are just not on.  De Villiers is less effective at 13 than he is at 12, Jacques Fourie is as slow as a carthorse and has no attacking ability -  JJ is mire a wing than a center.    

The Loose Forwards
Here there is actually no reason to dount the abilities of Louw, Vermeulen and Marcel Coetzee - and th question is back-up in teh case of injuries.   The problem is that Willem Alberts is a low work rate player with no passing skills and defective in ball protection and recovery.   Burger is still a good abck-up player.   Mohoje is really not the answer - he is bog ordinary.   I would say two serious contenders are Arno Botha and Lappies Labuschagne - the latter being a better ball player.
Props
If Malhrbe was fit - Jannie would probably have been replaced by now   Another player to come into the squad is likely to be Thomas du Toit.   
I would also get rid of Victor Matfield and replce him with Pieter-Steph du Toit.   MMatfild is not physicql enough to play inthe crucial Tight 5 set-up and still good enough to fit into the required 15 man game.  
   
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Oct 2014, 22:33
#4
15 Oct 2014, 22:33#4
 Pretty good account Mike. Burger to me is our 7. Louw and Coetzee for 6. However Louw when we are facing a powerful pack as he is the stronger player. Weaker pack like the abs and its Coetzee who isa bit more mobile.
Old biltong Bek is peddaling yesterdays news.  
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
16 Oct 2014, 02:29
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16 Oct 2014, 02:29#5
 Lol your deluded Beeno, weaker pack like the Abs. What you mean the same weak pack who has been beatimg yous consistently for Three years. Stop being so arrogant. Your just being ignorant refering to Abs as a weal pack. Nz are the #1 side in the world, have a bit more informed opinion please. Instead of letting your biast and anti Abs shine through. NZ has for the past few years have the best tight five on the planet, its a fact deal with it. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
16 Oct 2014, 02:39
#6
16 Oct 2014, 02:39#6
3 IQ, I disagree about the best tight 5. 
Retalick is currently the best (form) lock in world rugby, but I would not say another of the others are the best in their respective positions, nor would I say they are the best unit. 
All Blacks have the best outside backs in the world and this more than anything has been making them number one. When their is space to counter the All Blacks team as a whole is is very good scoring by moving the ball through the hands and drawing opposition defenders until the overlap or clean break occures.Not many of their tries are score d from set pieces against good opposition which would question how good the ball is from 1st phase and set pieces.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Oct 2014, 02:51
#7
16 Oct 2014, 02:51#7
 3ku1
I am a level-headed guy and inerest in NZ rugby in particular.  For a number of years the AB loosies were tops and so were their outside backs.   However, their Tight 5 really did not match up with the excellence elsewhere.
Retalick is a good player outside of the engine room - in the engine room is not.   There props are very ordinary and they had a problem with their hooker.   The really good plyer in teh Tight 5 - from an in-traffic situation has always been WhitelockFRom a Tight 5 perspective I would give them the following points:-
Props  -    6/10Hooker -   5,5/10Locks   -   7/10
That would not make them the ebst Tight 5 in world rugby and although they have an excellent team the Tight 5 on its own cannot be described as excllent - probably above average.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Oct 2014, 03:23
#8
16 Oct 2014, 03:23#8
 You have been in the AB engine room....you are amazing OOm.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Oct 2014, 07:45
#9
16 Oct 2014, 07:45#9
 An extremely insightful and BS response from our resident moron leader.   He has a truely amazing and unmatched ability to turn any rugby discussion into personal BS.  
TT
The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
16 Oct 2014, 10:54
#10
16 Oct 2014, 10:54#10
 Just a load of pure unadulterated bull, as written by another fool who bases his opinions on generalised false perceptions.

South Africa played some of their best running (15 man) rugby, in an era where we were allegedly playing with a flyhalf who "had to be introduced to his inside centre, at the post-match function", in Naas Botha. Amazingly, that was the era where we had Danie Gerber, Carel du Plessis, Michael du Plessis, Ray Mordt. All useless outside backs according to this "theory", as we "only played a 10 man game"...

Still sad to see that 90% of the posters on here have still not developed the capacity to think for themselves or analyse based on the actual facts and reality. Makes me realise that many people live in their own little fantasy worlds, where their universe is very much different from what is actually occurring around them. And the further a poster is removed from reality, the more biased his/her opinions.

Closed minded sheeple!
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Oct 2014, 11:28
#11
16 Oct 2014, 11:28#11
 Bok ruby over the years has not been about skop and charge. We have had great backlines in the past. We are returning to our roots after a long period of nonsense. The other issue is we must never ever again play a pap lock like victor. Rather paly two locks of the Bakkies/Etzebeth type - great athletes and great enforcers. 
Nz backs are now struggling to score tries against us. Their pack could take a hammering against England A. England B sorted them out for sure. Can they still rely on their backline to win matches. Certainly not the ones we played against - very frail bunch. 
As for the the Boks, Meyer needs to make 3 changes to our pack which has been sub re normal Bok standards - good enough to beat the pap wee abs but not a decent NH pack. We are now building a backline and using it. Great pack and very good backline could be emmerging if Meyer gets it right.
That leaves the RAWs wee abs in trouble. Bring back Bryce Lawrence will be the call! I guess though nz are training up an army of Bryce Lawrence refs to meet the challenge. Bwahahahahahahhaha
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