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Heyneke Meyer will not be returning to Loftus

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 May 2017, 00:59
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12 May 2017, 00:59#1

PRETORIA – At Loftus Versfeld he is regarded as the Messiah, but former Bulls and Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer has ruled out returning in any coaching capacity to help out the ailing Bulls team even though he is open to assisting in an advisory role.

Beleaguered Bulls coach Nollis Marais has already tapped into the experience of Meyer in a desperate effort to help turn around the fortunes of his team in this year’s Super Rugby competition.


In his previous life as Bulls coach, Meyer went through a similar patch as Marais is currently experiencing and after having been fired in 2002 and reinstated two years later.

Meyer built a formidable Bulls unit that went on to become the first and only South African side to win Super Rugby in the professional era in 2007.


While Meyer revealed that he has been speaking to Marais and offering him words of encouragement and wisdom in the aftermath of the Bulls record home defeat against the Crusaders, he will not be returning to Loftus but believes that the current crop of players can emulate what his 2007 championship winning side did in the next coming years.

At the same time Meyer says he is open to helping out any team in South Africa and even though he is involved with some consultancy work with a team abroad, he remains committed to assisting teams in the country.

“I really enjoy what I’m doing now and I will always be available to help wherever I can. I believe that ex national team coaches have learnt so much and when they are at their best they get moved sideways. There was a perception that I am in the rugby wilderness but I’m getting opportunities all over the world at the moment but I really want to stay in South Africa. 

"Everybody is leaving South Africa and taking our intellectual property out so wherever I can make a difference I will. If it is advice or help I am more than willing and I truly believe I can make a difference,” said Meyer at the launch of the Beachcomber World Club 10’s tournament which takes place in Mauritius on 17-18 June.

“I’ve given Nollis some advice but it is not easy because you have to be involved and give proper advice at any level. I’ve spoken to Allister (Coetzee) as well and I want the Boks and every South African team to do well.”

Meyer, who coached the Springboks to a semi-final exit and third place finish at the 2015 Rugby World Cup in England, says the system in the country needs to be fixed in order for South African coaches to thrive who he believes are as competent as their sort after New Zealand counterparts.

Meyer believes that the likes of former Springbok World Cup winning coach Jake White, former Bok coach Peter de Villiers, former Cheetahs and Stormers coach Rassie Erasmus and former Sharks coach John Plumtree have all proven to be competent coaches and South African rugby shouldn’t be caught up in the hype of wanting to court New Zealand coaches.

“We just always want to look at New Zealand coaches. If you look at Rassie, Jake and most of those coaches going overseas they are really successful. John Plumtree was never considered a great coach here but now he goes to New Zealand and wins Super Rugby. What has changed? It is not the coach that has changed, it’s the system and I’ve always had a problem with the system. If we don’t change the system then we are not going to go anywhere. There’s no one coach good enough to come in for four or five weeks and think you are going to change it and win,” Meyer said.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2017, 04:27
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12 May 2017, 04:27#2
What's different is when Plumtree "won" Super Rugby he was the assistant coach.....not the same thing. Man there are some confused okes out there.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 May 2017, 10:41
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12 May 2017, 10:41#3
 Oh yeah, Meyer, they guy who said SA players were not skilled enough to play attacking rugby. Then Akkerman, who has actually played the game at a high level came along and showed us all what horsekak that statement was...in less time than it took Meyer to completely devolve the Boks into mindless donkeys. It blows my mind. It really does.
Lol offers from all over the world. Yes, we know St Andrews school for blind girls needs a PE coach HM. That doesn't quite count though, does it?
The irony of it all is that Nollis claims the Bulls are looking to play more expensively. If that is the case then I don't think there is anyone worse than Meyer to phone. He could probably have visited this board and gotten better advice. Hell, a bag of fortune cookies would offer better guidance.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2017, 15:08
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12 May 2017, 15:08#4
 I agree with plum here - Meyer was poor as a coach - a coach without a game plan and selecting has-beens who could not handle/pass  balls.   The man was a joke as Springbok coach causing major future problems for the team.   Just slightly better than Coetzee - but not so much that he could be rated above "poor".


 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2017, 15:27
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12 May 2017, 15:27#5
This is funny, posters were telling us what a big step up on HM rugby Nollis represented......now Nollis needs HM to save his job. And the same poster has the temerity to opine on this thread. Funny stuff.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
12 May 2017, 15:28
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12 May 2017, 15:28#6

Rubbish Mike


If Meyer had produced the results that Coetzee did in his first year as coach, he would never have even lasted as long as what he did.


Meyer may not be the best we had, but you cannot even compare Meyer and Coetzee


If only we knew how often Meyer was forced into a corner regarding player selection based on quotas, that was hidden behind the scenes, or what decisions he had to make which did not suit the Boks players or  game plan, but suited the powers that be.


Comparing Meyer to Coetzee is the joke, he was far better in my opinion.... not even close 

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 May 2017, 15:48
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12 May 2017, 15:48#7
 Regardless of what team he was forced to pick, by the end of his run the Boks were donkeys. He coached any skill out of them. And he could easily have built a decent team while taking quotas into account. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2017, 15:53
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12 May 2017, 15:53#8
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Where do you find that I compared Coetzee and Meyer - I never did,   What I said he was better than Coetzee - but he still was not out of the poor category,   Coetzee I regard as atrocious - which on a rating scale is definitely below poor.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 May 2017, 16:00
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12 May 2017, 16:00#9
No you told us how great the new Bools game was during the CC last year....and how they progressed since the HM days.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 May 2017, 16:17
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12 May 2017, 16:17#10
 The Bulls last year did better in CC than they did under Ludeke and it was a promising sign.   However, being in liaison with Meyer must have effected Marais badly - he completely lost the plot and forgot about the need for player match fitness.    Get facts right before making comments please.    
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 May 2017, 19:16
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12 May 2017, 19:16#11
 It's funny how everybody here disagrees on many things, until we get to the topic of Coetzee. 

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
12 May 2017, 19:43
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12 May 2017, 19:43#12
We attack the choices of leaders because most of us  are clueless ourselves....we struggle to find intelligent answers in a complex society...rugby leaders are elected from a system that cannot get the basics right let alone the major sport in SA..we cannot vote right therefore all other things are inba lanced.
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