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Heyneke not invited to coaching indaba

Started by Machiavelli8 REPLIES410 VIEWS· 14 Oct 2016, 16:44
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MA
MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
14 Oct 2016, 16:44
#1
14 Oct 2016, 16:44#1
I agree with Margraaf and Mallett - this is just pollyfilla.  We need to break-down this wall and build a strong durable wall - Our rugby needs much more than a simple indaba by a few coaches and legends.
Via News24

Cape Town - Former Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer was reportedly not invited to attend SA Rugby’s coaching indaba next week, while two former coaches turned down invitations.

The indaba has been formed to "plan long-term and short-term Springbok interventions to ensure that systems are put in place to aid the success of Springbok rugby".

CEOs and coaching staff of all six South African Super Rugby franchises have been invited to attend the two-day event in conjunction with Springbok coaching staff and former Springbok coaches and players.

The indaba, which takes place in Cape Town next Wednesday and Thursday, will be headed by former Bok centre Brendan Venter.

According to Netwerk24, Meyer - who coached the Boks to a third place finish at last year’s Rugby World Cup - was not invited.

Meanwhile, two former Springbok coaches - Andre Markgraaff and Nick Mallett - will not attend.

Markgraaff, who coached the Boks in 1996, says he sees no point in holding a coaching indaba.

“Coaching is at the bottom of the list of concerning things that need attention. There are fundamental flaws in the structure and if you don’t tackle them, then you just paper over the cracks.

“South African rugby needs to undergo a metamorphosis, not a bunch of coaches sitting around a table exchanging ideas.”

Mallett, who coached the Boks between 1997 and 2000, turned down his invitation for the same reasons as Markgraaff.

After South Africa’s 57-15 loss to New Zealand last weekend, Mallett said on SuperSport that the blame for the Boks’ woes should be laid at the door of administrators.

“There’s no question that structures in New Zealand rugby is the template South Africa needs to follow. A lot of what we saw today should be squarely blamed on our structures and our administrators because we have not got a professional setup in South Africa that equals the New Zealand system.

“In New Zealand the All Blacks are always placed first. The New Zealand Rugby Union contracts their Super Rugby players and places them in the franchises. Here, the every team signs its own players and coach. What I’m trying to point out is they have a centralised system run for the benefit of New Zealand rugby, we have a system that benefits our provinces and not the national side, which should actually be the main priority.

“We can’t expect coaches or players to compete at such a high level with inexperienced and unprofessional administrators at the helm. We have 14 unions, but we can barely afford six unions," said Mallett.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Oct 2016, 18:36
#2
14 Oct 2016, 18:36#2
Waste of time.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,265 posts
14 Oct 2016, 19:23
#3
14 Oct 2016, 19:23#3
Just calling it an indaba is a bad omen
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Oct 2016, 20:33
#4
14 Oct 2016, 20:33#4
Yep...decide the path forward for Bok rugby and exclude White and HM. Not serious.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
14 Oct 2016, 21:04
#5
14 Oct 2016, 21:04#5
What a load of s hit...effing idiots...does not solve the problem...pity professional players living in this...my advice is get the hell out of this circus...don't read the papers and look after yourselves and family if applicable and do your thing in France, England and Japan.


GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
14 Oct 2016, 21:11
#6
14 Oct 2016, 21:11#6
What a load of s hit...effing idiots...does not solve the problem...pity professional players living in this...my advice is get the hell out of this circus...don't read the papers and look after yourselves and family if applicable and do your thing in France, England and Japan.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Oct 2016, 10:39
#7
15 Oct 2016, 10:39#7
 The problem with Meyer probably was personal animosity between Coetzee and Meyer.  Lets go back to 2007 - when Jake White was coach and Coetzee his deputy.   Meyer was undermined by the Bulls - who wanted Meyer as Springbok coach and that resulted in Coetzee losing his job as deputy coach.
The reaction of the Bulls effort caused havoc and De Villiers was elected as coach - with Coetzee having to become a deputy coach at the Stormers.   Eventually Coetzee became the Stormers coach and introduced the Jake-ball game at the Stormers.   As is normal with Jake-Ball it has a reasonable success in some games - but go dsour when the chips are really down.  
Meyer cannot introduce much at any indaba.   In the end he enforced the Bulls strategy of 2004 in the Springbok game plan and the results were poor.    His contribution can only be that he wants the over-the-hill players back and the 2004 Bulls strategy used.  
However, the indaba is a waste of time and money and will produce nothing of value.   The "donkeys"  at the indaba can bring no changes and the unprofessionalism and expertise needed  being absent will  result in no problem-solving of the nature required.           
MA
MachiavelliClub Pro323 posts
15 Oct 2016, 16:09
#8
15 Oct 2016, 16:09#8
 Mallett is not always correct, but in this instance he summed SA rugby up very aptly the other day.  Our issue is firstly the untimely involvement of politics.  Secondly the "deployment" instead of employment of key personnel with apt experience in the correct places.
Thirdly the structure of franchise / unions in relation to national interest.

What if these politicians really loved the game and in 1994 decided to be proactive.  What if then they built a rugby field ate each and every of the "previously disadvantaged" schools and actively promoted the game by employing a well-versed and skilled rugby coach at each of these schools.  What if the actually invested money in the game instead of stealing the money for self enrichment.  What if we did not import players like Beast and instead developed our own talent?
Now, when the SHTF they want to "fix" what they did not have the brain or will to implement 22 years ago. Almost every black layer current in SA was schooled at a private school where there is no government investment.  Now after the fact these simpletons want to legislate a "fix" to their errors and lack of foresight.
This stupid indaba (there we go again - putting a racial spin on stuff) will solve absolutely nothing other than the slippery slope becoming steeper and more slippery.

Stupid is as stupid does..and in this case they are masters of stupidity!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Oct 2016, 18:42
#9
15 Oct 2016, 18:42#9
 Good post Mac
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