SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2024, 12:30#2
McCaw never scored a single try that involved any form of skill beating a man and let’s face it he never stood out as some powerhouse
It’s the biggest insult in rugby and I mean this sincerely thst McCaw can even be suggested as one of the best rugby players ever - he was a great leader and at best a solid player
The likes of Schalk, Juan Smith, Pocock, George Smith, Brussouw to name but some in his era were better players let alone the rest of time
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2024, 15:22#4
Just watch his highlights reel there are very few golden moments
Was not the quickest, was not athletic, never had a great skill set, was hardly a turnover king, hardly the most physical around - he was a good to solid player - one of the best ever - not even close
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2024, 16:59#7
No Rooi emotion has zero to do with it. From a pure rugby sense I don’t care where the great players come from
Never rated McCaw as a great never will. Yes great leader and a nuisance on the field but that does not make him a great rugby player
There are so many better rugby players in a pure rugby sense.
McCaw would not make my list of the best 100 players I have ever seen play the game.
If I was selecting my top 10 opensides, I’d have the likes of Schalk, George Smith, Pocock, Kolisi, Kwagga, v/d Vlier, O’Brien, Savea, Curry, Warburton, Hooper, Dusautoir, Kronfield, Tipuric, Betsen etc ahead of Richie
13 May 2024, 17:16#9
Kollisi is just solid in my opinion, but not on the list of great Rugby players. Macaw was more then just a nuisance on the field, but a master Flank….I can say that now, but when he was still playing I did not much like him when he played us because he was so good and influential on the field….truly a great leader and player.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2024, 17:42#10
No emotion at all if it was I would not have Savea, Hooper etc on my list
Give me Kolisi over Richie anyday - better with ball in hand and more dominant tackler
For me the same applies to players like Martin Johnson, Jason Leonard, Tom Smith, Alwyn Jones, O’Connell etc - not nearly the best in their positions
SASaffolk
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22 May 2024, 19:00#12
Well you talk me though what Richie purely as a player, not leader blah, blah blah was better at than Siya?
As a player what made McCaw stand out
Being a great leader or a nuisance is not the measure of the playing ability of a player
I’m intrigued - I just don’t get the hype at all. There have been hundreds of better rugby players than McCaw
Same applies to Martin Johnson and Jason Leonard
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2024, 07:39#15
That tells me absolutely nothing about his strengths as a player - name them
Better still put up his highlights video and point out the actual highlights in that footage
Hardly the highlights of the best player to ever play the game - it’s utter bullshit
PLPlum
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23 May 2024, 08:49#16
Hey, guess who posted this...
"Bullshit Kolisi has been very good and PSDT won world player of the year at 7
He has rediscovered that form this season
Both Kolisi and PSDT have been really good this season
Fact"
And I count at least another 4 occasions where you used the award and also the opinions of pundits as reasons for justifying player's ability.
Truly, the worst "solicitor" in all the land.
lol what a plonker.
Please tell me that you know Moz was setting a trap for you?
To Moz, sorry, I couldn't resist.
I despised Richie, like he's my least favourite player of all time. But even I can admit that he's a top 100 guy. Possibly top 20.
Kolisi over Richie. That's a noob opinion right there. I mean, damn...have you completely lost it?
lol...we are starting to understand why you're such a DDA fan.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2024, 15:11#17
Racist tell me what Richie was good at instead of banging on about him being in your top 20 that tells me fuck all
Richie on pure rugby ability would not even smell my top 20 loosies of all time
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2024, 17:57#19
It’s not the job of a blindside to effect turnovers especially one that is actually a lock - Moz you tell me I miss loads when you don’t even know this basic fact - do you see Eben, Lood or Mostert effecting turnovers
Ok so the best you have on McCaw is the odd turnover - well there is one certainty when it comes to Richie and that he was never renowned for being a turnover king.
This is my point how the fuck given your limited take on him as a player can he even be considered one of the best players ever, in fact many say he is the best player ever - it’s the biggest load of shit I have ever heard.
From a pure playing perspective he was at best a solid to good player, there was absolutely nothing great about him.
Useful enough on the ground, nothing special with ball in hand and solid enough defender. Not the most athletic or agile player. He was good to solid
He was a great leader, durable and a nuisance - does this make him one of the best players ever - no fucking way, not even close
Geez he is not even in the top 20 loosies ever - give me Smith, Schalk, Juan, Ardie, Skinstad, Zinzan, Read, Hooper, Warburton, Vermeulen, Joe v Niekerk, Aldritt etc any day
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 May 2024, 06:14#21
Spot on Black & Red - if you gave a non rugby person McCaws highlights package and told them he was the best player ever - they would be very underwhelmed
PLPlum
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27 May 2024, 06:33#22
And if you showed them DDA's HL package you'd put them to sleep in all of 30 seconds.
But DDA is rated as the best 12 in the game for the "unseen" brilliance he demonstrates while Richie can't be rated because much of what he did was unseen.
You have to laugh at the clown logic on display.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 May 2024, 15:47#24
No one has said DA is the best 12 or rugby player ever, he is certainly one of the best 12’s in modern test rugby and that’s a fact
Any rugby follower who selects McCaw in their GOAT side is completely rugby ignorant for he is not even close to being the best openside ever
Smith, Hooper, Pocock, Schalk, O’Brien, Warburton, Brussouw, Kolisi, Dusseltou, Betsen, Kwagga, Savea, vd Vlier etc are all better rugby players
SASaffolk
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27 May 2024, 16:16#26
Rooi what was good about McCaw as a player - what made him a great rugby player
Please explain
SASaffolk
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27 May 2024, 16:28#28
Skill set? But he was not the most athletic, offered nothing much with ball in hand, was hardly the turnover king, not a linking openside, was a solid defender at best
Yes great leader but that does not define ability
I seriously don’t get it. He was good to solid purely from a playing perspective so how he can be mentioned as the best player ever is to me a discredit to rugby
Sorry have to disagree on this one
SASaffolk
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27 May 2024, 17:22#30
Just watched a few of Richie’s highlights videos to refresh my memory and boy oh boy there are literally no highlights
He was at best good to solid, nothing great about him at all. I have no issue with Richie at all, he was a good leader and always came across really well. My take is on his ability as a player - there was simply nothing special about him.
Obsession with de Allende, what bullshit - why would I be obsessed with him, Im just stating the facts - he has made numerous world sides of the year, has always been Rassie’s go to at 12, despite the likes of Esterhuizen, Serfontein and JVR challenging.
I appreciate that shinning at centre in modern test rugby is a very hard art, it’s the very reason we see a lack of consistency with coaches sticking to the same centres for prolonged periods of time other than Rassie with de Allende and Am. I appreciate that much of 12 play happens in traffic, to product of structured defences - de Allende’s strength is his brute strength. There is nothing flashy about him but that applies to all the test 12’s out there today - they are all built like hookers
I appreciate his role, whereas the majority want to see the flashy, flashy clearly is not the model in modern test matches
I’d love a player the break that mould and prove this theory wrong - it’s why I’d love to see if Willemse is the player to do that. If dancing feet coupled with a fair amount of physicality is the way forward at 12 then Willemse is the answer
But I suspect his model would be short lived - but it would be great for rugby if I was wrong