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Highlanders....the Rugby not the Fantasy

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES998 VIEWS· 16 Feb 2019, 01:20
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2019, 01:20
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16 Feb 2019, 01:20#1
A classical example of how Fantasy Rugby erodes discussion can be found in the other string dealing with the Landers fabulous win. Much moaning about how PPT didn't see it coming.....nothing on the rugby. The Landers a man down turned the game through sheer energy and the brilliance of the Smiths, Ben and Aaron. Ben Smith supposedly cooked according to DCup was the catalyst....awesome player! Aaron Smith speeded up the service and the decision making....what a difference an activist scrumhalf makes. The Chiefs really seemed to run out of puff towards the end. And Stephen Donald enabled a try by not putting a penalty in touch, although some missed tackles were the real problem. But I'm sure he is now damned for all time, I guess Morne has some company in that club. There were some interesting reffing points....Jaws clearly knocked down one pass that in the NH might have got him a card. And it was interesting to to hear the commentators trying to justify a clear shoulder charge of the kind that red carded SBW. Reffing is going to be a big deal this year at the WC. Overall this was not the expected awesome performance by two NZ clubs. The collisions looked somewhat tame after the 6N matches and the Chiefs looked decidedly unfit.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Feb 2019, 02:43
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16 Feb 2019, 02:43#2

Reffing has been a big problem for some time. They are there to apply the laws, not use the laws to manipulate the game or police style. That's how its been used since the ELVs. The IRB is less concerned about the application of laws and more concerned about promoting an increasingly ugly, frustrating and boring aesthetic to drawn in casuals. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2019, 03:18
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16 Feb 2019, 03:18#3
Generally I like Glen Jackson, he has a player's feel for the action and calls clear limited advantage. But the NH refs are far more pedantic. The 'coaching' offends me, if a player is holding on too long, and the ref consistently gives a warning, the players are going to be close to the edge all the time.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
16 Feb 2019, 08:00
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16 Feb 2019, 08:00#4

Welcome back Aug

Moz, I'm in some way surprised at your aversion to the fantasy stuff. You being a numbers guy and all. 

The Chiefs are not what they were five years ago. It's a different and less efficient animal now. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Feb 2019, 08:24
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16 Feb 2019, 08:24#5

Thanks Plum. From my perspective, I'd rather concentrate on the actual game. It takes a lot of time to analyse one game. That is more than enough to keep anyone busy. I haven't even posted 5% of what I've extracted from these reviews. So, I prefer to keep the two separate, as they really have no business being tangled with one another. To each their own, so long as the one doesn't interfere with the other. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Feb 2019, 08:29
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16 Feb 2019, 08:29#6

Plum

It actually was not the worst Super Rugby game I have seen in my time - but neither was it the best,   There were too many mistakes made on both sides - normally found in early Super Rugby series games.   

Don't expect any joy about asking the orcs about fantasy rugby,   They have no idea about the game of rugby and in performances of players being evaluated,    Over the years it became apparent - the players they hate do better than the players they adore when it comes to performance..

So what is to be done to mask their lack of knowledge about rugby -  just go on all-out attack against the fantasy games - a component of interest to most site members.   This is nothing new - the attack on fantasy rugby has been going on for years,         

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Feb 2019, 08:40
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16 Feb 2019, 08:40#7

Speaking of all out attack... 

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BrycyPro4,671 posts
16 Feb 2019, 09:55
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16 Feb 2019, 09:55#8

...Pretty good game i thought all things considered. Some good running rugby at times with a few meat pies thrown in . Watching two NZ sides cannibalising each other would be the attraction for others. Throw in a bit of contraversy for good measure.

Anyone with any real insight into the Chiefs set up will notice quite a few new players blooded yesterday...

At flyyhalf with all three Chief's flyhalves out injured newbie Leger a centre by trade filled in and played well until replaced by Beaver. 

Former AB Sevens rep Nanai Seturo also went along way to cementing a wing spot with his two tries on debut for the Chiefs

 Other newbies in the backs Manu and Sullivan also looked good . None of these  new players at all averse to contact.. So plenty of positives to take out of the game- plenty of flashes of brilliance even without DMac

Disappointing to let the game slip at the end with the Landers ABs reserves Frizzel and Smith the difference in the end -  both scoring coming off the bench - the turning point of the game....but traditionally we have lost our opening game to the same team anyway...inspirational leader Retalick going off the straw that broke the camels back perhaps.

Interesting though to see how Iaone filled Sopoaga shoes. Plenty of new flyhalves on show this weeekend with BBarret still on his honeymoon and the Blues also experimenting with Black and Pl ummer. The NZ flyhalf production line keeps pumping them out...




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Feb 2019, 15:43
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16 Feb 2019, 15:43#9

Thanks Moz for the comments. The Chiefies often look like a team on a doughnut diet. Gets a bit better as the season and the Chiefs roll on. Great to see ou Brycy so positive - will it last.

Nice to have Organhuffer back to analyse the heck out of the game!!!!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2019, 17:39
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16 Feb 2019, 17:39#10
Plum I did this once.....and I found it unpleasant being conflicted in terms of results, betting against the team I generally support for rational reasons. I reserve that for options trading.....I'd rather not be conflicted about my rugby. I also found getting my picks in was just another duty in my life...a bit of a pain. Obviously others enjoy the competitions, which is fine, as long as it doesn't take over the Board, which is why I suggested a dedicated Fantasy segment.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
17 Feb 2019, 06:43
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17 Feb 2019, 06:43#11

You are right Mozart, "Stephen Donald enabled a try by not putting a penalty in touch" and it was certainly "interesting to to hear the commentators trying to justify a clear shoulder charge of the kind that red carded SBW" Spot on. 

To be fair to Stephen Donald he said he did not expect to be called to Super Rugby LOLS "Yeah, two weeks ago I was sitting on my dinghy fishing in the Manukau Harbour," he said. "I didn't really expect to be playing Super Rugby." that story sounded familiar? 

Donald, the 35-year-old only signed with the club at the start of the week as an injury replacement for Tiaan Falcon and coming off the bench for some "very unexpected" football, on at fullback of all places, amid a very green backline.

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