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HM to restore Stad Francais to former glory

Started by Mozart23 REPLIES696 VIEWS· 25 Mar 2018, 21:15
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2018, 21:15
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25 Mar 2018, 21:15#1
Paris - Stade Francais owner Hans-Peter Wild said on Saturday former Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer will restore the struggling Top 14 outfit to their former glory. Stade had been looking for a coach since New Zealander Greg Cooper left the job in January and the Paris outfit announced on Tuesday that Meyer would take over as sports director from next season. Swiss magnate Wild said Meyer had been recommended to him as "a very good option for us" in South Africa in January when he was visiting performance centres at the Sharks, the Bulls and the Stormers and that Meyer then travelled to Switzerland to meet him. "I spent a whole Saturday with him. He was very well prepared, he came with this booklet, 'Concept for Stade Francais', that was very convincing," said the 76-year-old billionaire. "It was a great choice for us, one of the best coaches in the world... we were very confident that he would restore Stade Francais to its former glory." The Parisians are in the middle of a remarkable slump in form after seven defeats in their last eight games. Wild described Meyer as very motivated and said he would outline his 'Concept for Stade Francais' in detail shortly. The language barrier is one problem the club has to work out, and another was what to do with the interim coaching team of Robert Mohr, Julien Dupuy and Olivier Azam. "The thing is he cannot talk directly to the players," said Wild. "The same problem that Cooper had. But we learnt, we will give him a South African player who will be on his side, he speaks French very well so he will be his translator. Wild said the interim coaching team all had a future too, especially player Mohr, who was being primed as a coach and manager by the club. "Heyneke is No 1, Robert is No 2. Same with Julien, same with Olivier (they have a future). Everybody is welcome to work at the team but everybody needs to be in line otherwise it's a mess." Wild was scathing of the situation left by Cooper, saying 20 of his 50 players were injured and half of the rest were not strong enough. He did however promise to rectify the situation with recruitment and development.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Mar 2018, 21:54
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25 Mar 2018, 21:54#2

If the owner consults Meyer as to recruitment he is likely to have difficulty in finding players of the future,    Since Meyer I only interested in players over 30  he should find some rejects  by other clubs/franchises.

The owner will also find that Meyer knows zero about backline  play – hopefully Matfield can become the Stade Francais backline coach – he has plenty experience in backline play because he moonlighted as a center  while supposedly being a lock.  

Anyway even though Stade got rid of Morne – there  are still two favourites  of Meyer – but the greatest duds ever in rugby– namely Willem  Alberts and  the prop Van der Merwe   around

I wish Meyer and Stade well for the future – but cannot see how Meyer can succeed as a coach of a struggling club  


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2018, 22:33
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25 Mar 2018, 22:33#3
Better moonlighting as a centre than moonlighting as a slow wing, who can't take or throw a pass......like Stephanie. Worst case of moonlighting I've seen.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Mar 2018, 22:41
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25 Mar 2018, 22:41#4

One incident suddenly became the rule like the constant moonlighting in the backline was a fact - although I admired Matfield as a line out jumper he did more damage by disrupting backline play than any other forward ever could.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2018, 23:36
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25 Mar 2018, 23:36#5
Three incidents.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 00:38
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26 Mar 2018, 00:38#6

In youir imagination again - dangerous to believe BS

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 02:21
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26 Mar 2018, 02:21#7
Minute76 against the Reds....falls over on the left wing trying to catch the ball. Minute 78 against the Reds ....drops the pass on the left wing 15 metres out Minute 13 against the Bloos......throws a pass 3metres forward because he is too slow and Rhule doesn't throttle back in time. I think he wants to be a left wing....hahaha. Lock to flank, to left wing. Man this guy is versatile. Scrumhalf anyone? But I forget he often plays there. And you have the gall to call Matfield a centre.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:18
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26 Mar 2018, 08:18#8

We'll probably see Matfield and Fourie Du Preez make a come back under Meyer.

I wonder ... do you think that Bakkies can beat his time of 2 minutes 3 seconds over the 100?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:40
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26 Mar 2018, 08:40#9


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:42
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26 Mar 2018, 08:42#10

Mozart

Fools paradise again - wake up please.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:46
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26 Mar 2018, 08:46#11
Mike, I find your comment about Meyer not being able to identify players of the future interesting. In his time at the Bulls he uneartherd, Habana, Fourie  Du Preez, Matfield, Bakkies, Danie Coetzee, and quite a few others. When he was Bok coach, he had to choose from already established players to add to the Bok mix. Granted, he did that less effectively, but in his time at the Bulls he spotted some of the best Boks of the modern era. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 08:53
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26 Mar 2018, 08:53#12

bluebook

Sure Meyer did well when he was with the Bulls in identifying players early and at the time he developed a style of play that for a time worked, namely the scrummie passing the ball back to forwards in attacking.  

That would never work in the present era - as was evidenced in the WC series in 2015.  

I was mostly plaguing Mozart in this case - but I have reservations about Meyer being successful in the present playing environment .    

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generaltitPro3,164 posts
26 Mar 2018, 09:45
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26 Mar 2018, 09:45#13

HMMMMM...Lol

These posts are so funny...aren't they CC

H for Heyneke

M for Meyer

M for Mozart

M for Matfield

M for Moonlighting

M for Morne

LOLZ and more LOLZ


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Mar 2018, 10:17
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26 Mar 2018, 10:17#14

Haaaaaaaahahahaha!!

You are seriously not well, Sebastien.

BlueBok ... I think you may have meant Danie Roussouw ... HMMMM M??

And no ... Bryan Habana wasn't discovered by Meyer.

It was just one of those times when a lot of talented players were bought and paid for by a franchise who then went on to become great Boks.

Meyer didn't have anything to do with it. He rode on their coat tails for years and did his best to take the credit for it all but that all came crashing down a few years later as Bok coach.

Now we know him as the coach who got thumped by the Japanese.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
26 Mar 2018, 10:47
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26 Mar 2018, 10:47#15
Hahaha CC. Its Monday, give me a break. Yup, I meant Danie Russouw. CC, I'm not a fanboy of Meyer, but the guys I mentioned all flourished under his leadership. They could also all be considered nobody's until they joined the Bulls. I think Mike is probably right, the old rules suited Meyer a lot better, but you have to give him credit for what he achieved with a Bulls team that was floundering at the bottom of the Super Rugby table when he took over, and a union that was hardly overflowing with cash at the time. . 
Seb, what exactly do you smoke?  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 11:36
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26 Mar 2018, 11:36#16


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generaltitPro3,164 posts
26 Mar 2018, 11:38
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26 Mar 2018, 11:38#17

Don't smoke, but we've all heard this familiar tune before...mention Matfield, Morne and Heyneke Meyer then the song starts all over again.

Do you remember the song the Beatles sung many years ago...Number 9, Number 9 Number 9...

This has a similar ring , doesn't it.

I find this hilarious, don't you guys.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 15:13
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26 Mar 2018, 15:13#18
Soooooooo Heynecke got the Bok reigns when we were ranked 3......and we were ranked 3 when he left. But his average ranking over 48 matches was 127/48= 2.65. And what is our ranking now? Sixth is the anwer......6 vs 2.65. Ja we sure are a whole lot better off since HM left....hahaha.....stupid can't be fixed.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 15:48
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26 Mar 2018, 15:48#19

Mozart

This has nothing to do with the ranking - under Meyer after the Japan disaster we were also ranked 6.   But that one is just covered up by you.

Fact is the problem started towards the end of Meyer's coaching period and started on the EOYT and was a disgrace on its own.    Many warned Meyer about his sticking with the elderly who were under-performing but he would not listen - and the end result was two EOYT losses and a home loss against Argentina in the Super Rugby series as well ultimately the loss against Japan.

Meyer's main problem was his sayings that -

*   he knows what the experienced players he preferred is capable of (forgetting that the term should have been "was" and not "is"); and

*   SA backline players do not have the skill to play a ball-in-hand game (true in  the case of the players he selected).

Hew never picked players on the basis of performance - reputation was his only norm,   He ignored  the Rule Changes of 2008 and tried to take the team back to the game he used as coach of the Bulls.

After the Japan test Meyer panicked and flood the team with players who rarely played together  before.  There was no co-ordinated game plan because the older players could not adjust and the youngsters could not fit in with his sort of game plan.   The plainest sight seen in the WC is Fourie du Preez passing the ball back to forwards (mostly Burger) - making him the stand-in flyhalf.   That kind of approach further destroyed the team performances and they were lucky op beat Wales because Vermeulen himself said he disobeyed Meyer's instruction not to off-load the ball.

Be it as it may - I do not think Meyer will do well at Stade - I only hope he is not fired after a year as happened to White at the Sharks and at Monpellier.       

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 16:19
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26 Mar 2018, 16:19#20
2.65<6......where is the progress....will we ever be ranked 2 again?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 16:32
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26 Mar 2018, 16:32#21

With the right approach it would be possible - bar for selection on the basis of merit and not quotas.    However, this is not about us - but Stade Francais and rebuilding of  a team which is near the bottom of the pile and it is unsure how Meyer would cope in an environment foreign to his playing style.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Mar 2018, 18:52
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26 Mar 2018, 18:52#22
It is 'uncertain' how Meyer would cope....just as it's uncertain how Rassie will cope.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Mar 2018, 19:16
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26 Mar 2018, 19:16#23

There is a huge difference  between Rassiie amd Meyer - Rassie knows the modern  game, Meyer  does not.  

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
28 Mar 2018, 14:27
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28 Mar 2018, 14:27#24

Always worthwhile to check


This club's last titles:

2017 european champion

2015 national champion

Former glory.

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