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Houwsing on Fat Fransie

Started by clevermike12 REPLIES870 VIEWS· 08 May 2018, 15:39
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 May 2018, 15:39
#1
08 May 2018, 15:39#1

The following from News24:-


"Three appearances - all off the bench - for South Africa since mid-September 2012.

That, remember, is the grand sum of Frans Steyn’s contribution to the Springbok cause over the course of some five and a half years.

It is a far from inconsiderable period, when you chew on the various ups and downs experienced in that time - in results, in playing staff, in coaching tenures, you name it - by the national team.

All he has done since he ceased to become a regular part of the Bok furniture in that spring of 2012 is earn three pretty fleeting, further cracks as a substitute in the home series against France last year - a short-lived productive phase for the Allister Coetzee regime.

Some observers might have been surprised, even then, that the often controversial, single-minded figure swelled his Test caps to 56 in that 3-0 clean-swept series, considering his proclamation two whole years earlier: “(I) accept that my days in a Springbok jersey (are) finally behind me … I have made peace with it.”

In 2014, of course, he walked out of the Bok squad following a monetary dispute with SARU; his father Piet was quoted as saying that the governing body “didn’t adhere to a contractual promise”.

Whatever the facts of the matter, it somehow summed up Steyn’s already increasingly tenuous relationship with Bok rugby - and sadly at the very prime of his career when he would have been of most potent value.

Yet his name has resurfaced in 2018, with reports that new Bok mastermind Rassie Erasmus lists him among several overseas-based targets, intended to bolster his squad for the fast-looming challenges of June and beyond.

Although he seems to have been around for the proverbial donkey’s years - inevitable considering his Bok debut aged a tender 19, back in 2006 - Steyn still only turns 31 early next week.

There have been many extremely decent 32-year-olds (his age once RWC 2019 comes along in Japan), across the spectrum of nationalities at World Cups, so Erasmus is unlikely to harbour any special fears on that front if the major jamboree is his ultimate goal - and you’d think it would be - for Steyn.

Class is permanent, and it is almost indisputably abundant in the notably versatile, brawnily-built backline customer with the unusually gigantic range on his kicking, both from hand and off the “plastic”.

Steyn is capable of pure genius on the rugby field, especially when the mood really grabs him. (There are times when it doesn’t, too: when he drifts a little languidly, infuriatingly from the intended team template.)

But that sense of mysteriousness often only adds to the allure of a genuine sports star, doesn’t it? 

I am an unreserved fan of Francois Philippus Lodewyk Steyn, in a pure rugby-related context, and certainly not instinctively averse at all to Erasmus’s apparent wish to welcome him back to the fold.

Why wouldn’t you be drawn to a player who was so influential in South Africa’s now distant, last World Cup triumph in 2007, and who famously thumped over as many as three own-half penalty goals in the decisive Hamilton match of the 2009 Tri-Nations ... again, regrettably, the Boks’ last sampling of glory in the main southern hemisphere competition?

Still, any assumption that Steyn may be lurking with fresh intent for the Boks must be tempered by recent, positive developments domestically in the two positions he is most likely to challenge firmly for: fullback and inside centre.

At No 15, the Bulls’ Warrick Gelant appears to have put some injury and associated, conditioning-related issues well behind him in recent weeks, producing sufficient bursts of artistry - and also doing the more mundane stuff competently - to have strong claims to first choice there.

The quite delightful way the lean machine that is Curwin Bosch, 20, scythed through the Highlanders defence a couple of times in Durban last Saturday - he’s not at all far off Steyn for kick length, either - only served as a further reminder that up-and-coming stocks in the last line of defence are rosy.

Similarly, there’s a satisfyingly mounting bun-fight for rights to the Bok No 12 shirt, with the Stormers’ Damian de Allende suddenly looking so much more like the sleight-of-hand factor he was in 2015 and Andre Esterhuizen of the Sharks - a midfield bruiser to match most Antipodean ones - coming off a hugely assertive personal showing against the Highlanders.

Make no mistake, a Steyn exuding full-blooded “buy in” to the 2018 Springboks would be marvellous to have around, as they say - and especially if, as is likely, some of their back-three resources may collectively be very wet behind the ears at Test level at the outset of Erasmus’s tutelage.

All I would caution is that there is a certain, occasionally complex history to his involvement with the national team.

Although Steyn, presently with Montpellier, had a return spell with the Sharks between 2012 and 2015, he has largely been overseas-based when it comes to club/franchise employ since 2009, which was when he first began a Racing Metro two-year (initial) deal reportedly worth 750,000 euros per season.

In relation to many SA-based Boks playing their trade predominantly - or totally - on local terrain, he is undoubtedly a “Mr Moneybags” and there may be some who, for whatever extent it is relevant, are envious, or who feel at very least that local loyalty must be more spiritedly rewarded in Bok selection.

Frans Steyn could be a valuable infusion to the Springboks shortly; they must guard against any likelihood that the package includes any semblance of “infection” ."
I have always up to 2012 supported Frans Steyn playing for the Springboks.   However, when he came back from France it was clear that he was in a shocking physical condition and he was unfit, grossly overweight and slowed down in pace.  His appearance for the Springboks were not up to standard - as a matter of fact poor .    One of my constant memories is where against the Argentines Steyn near the goal line tried to make a relieving kick and the ball rolled along the ground to the 22  - putting the whole Springbok team off-side in the proccess   That is the type of nonsense that Steyn became known for.
In 2013 Steyn was so poor that Plumtree spoke out in public about his physical condition and said that Steyn is NOT a center - he just does not have the ability to play at center.   He was crashballing every time he got the ball and never passed balls - his defense was poor and he was totally incapable of making line breaks and beating defenders.   This shocking conditions continued in 2014 when Steyn played for the Sharks.   In all matches played Steyn made 2 line breaks beating 8 defenders in the full CC series.   His defense was poor and he broke a record in possession losses.    
We just saw the game against the Highlanders last week which the Sharks won with ease. However, in the round robin match in 2014 in Durban - the Sharks lost by a big margin largely resulting from a shocking display by Steyn.  
Steyn played a few minutes per test last year and in those matches showed zero other than unfitness.    A kick follow-up left Steyn totally out of breath after running about 40 meters.
Is that the guy we want in the test team?  I think that his lack of performance since 2012 will make his inclusion in the team a joke in bad taste.    However, what is clear if selected  is he will be as poor as he was  at all levels since 2012 and will fortunately not last through to the 2019 WC.  He is now not his club first choice 12 - why should he be in the Springbok team?  
    


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
08 May 2018, 16:13
#2
08 May 2018, 16:13#2

Hey "clever" ... please explain what the word "houwsing means.

I can't seem to find it's definition anywhere.

Thanks.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 May 2018, 17:31
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08 May 2018, 17:31#3

Sorry CC

I made a mistake - the journo/s name is Houwing - one of the most stupid rugby writers ever. Proof - he is a favourite of Mozart and his rugby geriatrics campaign,  

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 May 2018, 17:39
#4
08 May 2018, 17:39#4

There have been too many issues with Fransie and the Boks. It seems he wants to be begged to play for his country.  There is always one issue or another. Talented player that played his best Bok rugby at 15, but too much baggage for my taste. He can fck off already.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 May 2018, 18:33
#5
08 May 2018, 18:33#5
https://youtu.be/m1dZZ2kzKgQ


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 May 2018, 00:27
#6
09 May 2018, 00:27#6
Or his country screwed him and unlike other players he insisted on his contract. A super talent mishandled by a rugby culture that prefers humble, untalented players.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,255 posts
09 May 2018, 02:11
#7
09 May 2018, 02:11#7
Frans Steyn is still a good player, but after he had a serious knee injury he was not as good as before. He became a bigger player, but lost much of his skill like his long-distance kicking for poles and even touch
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 May 2018, 02:58
#8
09 May 2018, 02:58#8

The screwing was done by himself = through his mouth getting a gut big enough to make it impossible for him  to see his feet when kicking a ball.   Tragic - but this  potential great player destroyed his rugby career himself.

His coach said he is no center at all o so who is right?    

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
09 May 2018, 06:43
#9
09 May 2018, 06:43#9

I am not a fan. He had all the talent required, but for me his attitude was always a problem. The truth is, at 19 he already had a World Cup under his belt, and he really was pretty special. Understandably it went to his head. Who of us here would not have become a little arrogant under those circumstances? Unfortunately that arrogance never left , and I think that self importance is what ultimately led to him having a pretty obscure career from then onward. He should for all intense and purposes have been a super star, but I think he lacked the guidance for that to become a reality. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 May 2018, 07:34
#10
09 May 2018, 07:34#10

Netso!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 May 2018, 08:07
#11
09 May 2018, 08:07#11

Frans Steyn hasn't been a special talent for many, many years now.

He was at his best in the 2007 WC. I thought he would go on to become a Bok legend. 

He is the type of player that needs a strong captain ... someone he respects ... someone who tells him what to do ... someone who explains the game plan ... tells him what he wants from him prior to the match ... someone who lays down the law ... someone who won't tolerate any of his narcissistic glory hunting, like drop attempts from his own 22.

He needs to be controlled to a degree.

John Smit was that man. He brought out the best in Steyn. It was an incredible season for Steyn ... and then all the wheels fell off.

He has never managed to come anywhere close to that kind of form again.

He is not Bok material and hasn't been for near on a decade. He is just to full of himself and that's what gets in the way.

The best 12 in the country is Janse van Rensburg ... but he's injured ... and so Esterhuizer should walk the 12 jersey. 



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 May 2018, 08:26
#12
09 May 2018, 08:26#12

CC

Agree with you about Fat Fransie - but have doubts about Rohan Janse van Rensburg,  Why are the Lions making him their bench player in all but the recent game?  They obviouslyprefer Voirter as their 12.

I also thought Rohan should be the guy - but since his injury he had serious defense problems and that makes him a dubious selection.   

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 May 2018, 08:46
#13
09 May 2018, 08:46#13

Yes, I know, Mike.

You did a 180 on him just as you did on Jesse Kriel.

Your man is De Allende ... mine is Janse van Rensburg.

Let's compromise and bring Esterhuizer in as our Bok 12.


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