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How did Dyantyi score our first try so easily.....

Started by Mozart33 REPLIES1,077 VIEWS· 19 Sept 2018, 15:39
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2018, 15:39
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19 Sept 2018, 15:39#1
A brilliant dummy run by Mostert, which totally froze Brown creating the overlap.....3 more points for Mostert in the mozcroscope. This guy does smart things all over the park.....the new Juan Smith.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Sept 2018, 15:55
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19 Sept 2018, 15:55#2

LOL Mr Moz

Mostert is a quality mind built around a warrior spirit.

We hear less and less about how he and Whitely shoudlnt be starting. They're both test quality and the more we see of them the more evidence we find. Hard to say i didn't tell you all so.

It's a blessing in disguise that people doubted them.

Dyanti is gonna get a few blank cheques coming from France/UK pretty soon. Guy is an animal. Undeniable star quality. Another underdog who has let his performances do the talking. Brilliant! Already a favorite.

We need Nkosi back now. I've forgiven him for being from Jeppie.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2018, 16:05
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19 Sept 2018, 16:05#3
Well I'm afraid these chaps are just a bit slow Plum. One assumes your fellow posters see the things you see, but many unfortunately miss half of what happens. One has to try and help,
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:12
#4
19 Sept 2018, 17:12#4

Mostert did not handle the ball at all - what a real load of BS we have here?   Mozart - another lie and deception wil l it never end?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:18
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19 Sept 2018, 17:18#5
Look up dummy run you pathetic dummy......catastrophically thick!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:27
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19 Sept 2018, 17:27#6

Another total attack of idiocy.   Mozart are you not ashamed of being so totally moronic.   I may be thick - at least I am not a liar and fraudster.  That I leave entirely to you.  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:35
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19 Sept 2018, 17:35#7

Try 1- 




sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:37
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19 Sept 2018, 17:37#8

Try 2- (start at positon not working....)



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:37
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19 Sept 2018, 17:37#9
You are lying right now....right here....and after I pointed out it was a dummy run, doubling down on your lie. You just missed it, as you miss so much.......shall I ask one of our visual experts to put up the clip and totally humiliate you again?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:40
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19 Sept 2018, 17:40#10

What the hell has a dummy run without touching the ball got to do with the scoring of the try.    If that was the norm a string of try assists a mile long would soon be established - one for virtually each try scored - would even be possible. . 

This was just another discovery of total BS value by you. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:46
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19 Sept 2018, 17:46#11
Thanks Shark.....we can see LB glancing up sees Mostert, raises his arms in a tackling mode while watching Faf to see the pass to Mostert.....only at the last micro second does he realize it's a dummy run. That's what creates the overlap. Very well timed and executed by Mostert.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2018, 17:54
#12
19 Sept 2018, 17:54#12

No use to try logic - prejudiced BS has take over.   Just as an aside there was NO overlap created by Mostert - there was one created by Le Roux.   Mostert was not within 20 meters from where the try was scored.  

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Sept 2018, 19:15
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19 Sept 2018, 19:15#13

Did Mike really just ask...

"What the hell has a dummy run without touching the ball got to do with the scoring of the try."

Mike, the term "Dummy run". It's all there in a) the name b) the fact that it exists.

It ceases to be called a dummy run if he plays the ball. Then it's just someone receiving the ball.

Haha You guys.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Sept 2018, 19:55
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19 Sept 2018, 19:55#14

If only Dyantyi didn't come off his wing when Am had Barrett wrapped up. Otherwise good game. 

Mostert was very good. I've been on his back since the RC began, but that was a big game to dispel some of my concerns.

You'd be surprised how little the average fan actually sees in game. Most watch the ball, t hey miss everything else. I have had great difficulty in the past discussing support lines, off the ball movement. It's often seen as unimportant. "He just ran straight, he did nothing". 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Sept 2018, 20:34
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19 Sept 2018, 20:34#15
This is hilarious - when has a dummy runner ever before been rewarded a try assist.   None ever did it before - a new invention of the top rugby analysts in the world - must advise World Rugby and all stats develop agencies of this brilliant development.
And AO sees it all.   He is so wise of nothing actually happened he dreamed that something did and then call that absolute superiority over all spectators,    As an example he saw Fat Fransie making three lie breaks when there was in fact none.
I would rather follow the ball and see what happened then the make-believe by AO should be followed.  What he says people does not consider - 90% of spectators would laugh if he repeats that BS I public.    
 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
19 Sept 2018, 23:31
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19 Sept 2018, 23:31#16

I wouldn't give them a try assist, but I would credit the importance of the movement. I've done so many times. A player who successfully holds a defender in place or pulls them out of position can make a seemingly innocuous situation become a red zone threat. This was the power of players like Alberts and Frans. There are several tries I can reference where this was a pivotal contribution. Had he not done so, the try would never have a happened.

Here's the thing, you don't actually see very much. You miss all the details. That's why you lose every single debate. Well, that and your dishonesty. Were it not for your dishonesty, you'd probably rebuild the rubble that is your credibility. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2018, 01:47
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20 Sept 2018, 01:47#17
Mike was a hooker....no clue about back player. Who needs dummy runners. The thing that was special about Mostert's dummy run was that it came from broken play. It wasn't structured play from a set piece. It was a smart player instantly seeing how to contribute. The result....a run in try. Giving dummy runners a try assist is a bridge too far. But a well executed dummy run is a thing of beauty....well done Franco!
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2018, 02:30
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20 Sept 2018, 02:30#18

More importantly, when did he play hooker? It sounds like it was in the 4 0s.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2018, 03:39
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20 Sept 2018, 03:39#19
Tokkie is a bit confused about the time line......in fact tell me a time the poor old coot isn't confused. Hell he distinguishes between dummy runs ' when you touch the ball' and 'dummy runs when you don't touch the ball.' Hahahaha.....too funny!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2018, 03:52
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20 Sept 2018, 03:52#20

I am confused - you are talking twaddle in streams longer than the Volga and Danube combined.  I do not create non-existent heroism and do believe in what I actually see - not what others concocted up.  Have fun in your make-believe world.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2018, 03:59
#21
20 Sept 2018, 03:59#21
Now you think the Volga and the Danube are combined...running low on pills? But which do you think happened here ...the dummy run with or without the ball?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2018, 04:10
#22
20 Sept 2018, 04:10#22

I blame myself Moz. Herr Drache has been taking up so much of my time I forgot Herr Lügnerin razadyne prescription. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2018, 04:23
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20 Sept 2018, 04:23#23
Hahaha....sounds like an Emergency Chemist project.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2018, 07:34
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20 Sept 2018, 07:34#24

That so-called dummy run had bugger all to do with the scoring of the try more than 20 meters away.    A total Mozart BS unbelievable concoction again.  

If you credited Whiteley and Le Roux for their contribution you would be correct - but not a word of those two.   

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 Sept 2018, 08:25
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20 Sept 2018, 08:25#25
I just watched that try a bunch of times. At first I thought it looked like Mostert and Whiteley were actually expecting the ball to come to them, and they were simply bypassed by Faf, but after something like 20 views, I have come to the conclusion that Moz is right. It was nothing more than a dummy run, as neither man had their hands out or even attempted to catch the ball. The move was made even more sneaky by the fact that Mostert also physically got in the way of the AB no.1 and no.4, basically eliminating their ability to defend. I doubt those two players would have been able to do anything about preventing the try, but Mostert's tactic was very clear. I must add, the fact that Whiteley and Mostert and Faf all seemed to be on the same page does point to some sort of structured or pre-planned move. Either way, it was still executed well. Its was not a try assist, not in the traditional sense anyway, but it definitely did influence the how the AB's were able to defend. 
If it was not a practiced move, some credit must also go to Faf for spotting it, and electing to pass to Marx and the backs instead.  
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Sept 2018, 09:03
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20 Sept 2018, 09:03#26

I don't think Mostert was ever an intended recipient Blue, unless Faf wanted to throw a forward pass. Mostert is already in line with him as he winds up the pass, and past him when the throws it.

Here's what happens, from my view, everyone can make up their own minds:

1. Ruck forms, All Blacks fan out. At this stage all the outside defenders are drifting towards the touchline.

2. As Faf puts his hands on the ball, ALB glances forward quickly, probably seeing Mostert starting to run at his channel.

3. ALB now checks himself, stops drifting towards touch and dances a step or two back inside. This is the crucial moment, as it has momentarily stopped ALB's progress towards the danger area.

4. ALB keeps watching the ball as Mostert runs past him, follows the pass to Marx, but is too narrow to reach the wide runners.

The question ultimately:

Would ALB have been a factor in defending the try had he not checked his drift to take a step back inside? Probably. As it is he is touching Willie just after he passes the ball, so without his drift being checked, he may well have caught him a meter or two earlier. May still have been enough to pin Jordie and release Dyantyi, we don't know.

What is clear is that Mostert's dummy run made him step back inside momentarily instead of drifting onto the wide attackers.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2018, 09:25
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20 Sept 2018, 09:25#27

The Boks do that alot during phase play. It can be Kriel, Damian, Whiteley, even Malherbe. I've noted this a number of times. It was done a little more against Australia. Just something to keep the second defended from the end - Brown - in place, which leaves Marx 1v1 with Ben Smith. Once that happened, it was a 2v1 with Jordie Barrett. A nice combination to beat the edge of the defence.

We saw also saw this kind of play in the second Puma test. One of the reasons why I was trying to temper the doom and gloom later the time. They played better than they did against Australia. We have some good players making positions their own. More importantly, some smart ones. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2018, 09:30
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20 Sept 2018, 09:30#28

You're right about that forward pass Pakie. In all the games I've looked at, when having a runner angle in like that close to the ruck, they have never gone to that runner. This brings me onto something I liked about the way the All Blacks attacked. They used an enormous glut of cut balls. Australia and South Africa work off screens more, and become too deep. The All Blacks kept the ball in front of their runners very often. It also meant anyone could support the receiver. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Sept 2018, 09:43
#29
20 Sept 2018, 09:43#29

Yet again, almost everyone agrees. 

Mike, there are very few people here that dislike players so much that they allow their prejudice to get in the way of objective fact.

One doesn't have to touch the ball, be close to the try or even be involved with the final phase as a dummy runner to be credited as being a large factor in the result. 

Turning the ball over on your own try line and sparking a play the results in a try 90m and twenty passes later, can result in you being given some credit for the score.

In this instance Mostert used some savvy and did that thing we need a ton more of...playing/thinking/acting OFF the ball to positively affect the outcome of those with the ball in hand. The Yanks call it "exploding off the ball." The beauty of it is that without having the pill you can involve yourself in a positive way. Incentives, initiative, prerogative...something like that. Take charge without having charge.

And o ne should certainly give players credit when they take that initiative.

Cumon oom. Let's be normal, just for a day :)


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Sept 2018, 13:53
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20 Sept 2018, 13:53#30
Good contributions all.....thanks. A player like Mostert emerges more when one looks at the details. He is never going to run over people like a Marx.....but he is constantly doing smart things.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2018, 15:08
#31
20 Sept 2018, 15:08#31

Mostert is physically not up to standard - the sooner you realize that the better.  Because he had one good match in the tests played this year and the res was not really convincing obviously give you the opening to attack Du Toit.  Forget about it - he will not replace Du Toit at 7 and he will be replaced by De Jager at lock.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Sept 2018, 15:14
#32
20 Sept 2018, 15:14#32

It's impossible to play a modern brand of rugby with Lood. If we were talking the 1960s, fine, but this is 2018. You make some strange calls Lügnerin. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2018, 15:14
#33
20 Sept 2018, 15:14#33

Plum

I do not dislike Mostert or for that matter any other player.  Rugby is a professional game where PERFORMANCE is the key and  that goes beyond only one game.

If you talk about prejudice look no further than Mozart, AgainBSter and Pakie.   They have a constant hate campaign against certain players and that has been ongoing for years.   It has nothing to do with rugby performance - they misrepresents totally what happened in games to discredit the players they hate and if they are questioned why rugby analysts world wide did not raise the points they did, they proclaim themselves as better than such expert analysts.      

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Sept 2018, 16:01
#34
20 Sept 2018, 16:01#34

they misrepresents totally what happened in games

I'm still patiently waiting for you to find one instance where my report on what happened didn't match what actually happened.

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