30 Jun 2014, 12:00#2
Now to get rid of a few more elderly folk ... and to make the bench an effect weapon.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
30 Jun 2014, 12:18#4
Pollard was very good, but against New Zealand? I have my doubts. You make the age old mistake of overshooting the mark. If the youngsters are twice as good as the seniors then it will show i n the stats. I would say it's the careful balance between the two by Meyer that is making it easier for the youngsters to survive. No experience and continuity leaves with 2000-2003.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jun 2014, 12:40#5
Well given how bloody useless Morne is, Pollard at 50% would be perfect against NZ
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
30 Jun 2014, 12:46#6
Morné was probably our best player the last tie the two sides met. He dominated in 2009 and particularly in 2011. Morné has a good track record of performing well against New Zealand, so far no other eligible 10 does. Certainly, your little idols Goosen and Lambie failed spectacularly, as did Jantjies. You sure know how to call them!
30 Jun 2014, 12:47#7
Ummmmm ... it's 2014 now.
Helloooooooooooooooo!!!!
Try to keep up, Buggered!!
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 12:50#8
Sun Tzu
To much reputation and no performance laves with 2010 and 2011.
Morne never was any good against New Zealand - was a major contributor to losing against them in three tests in 2012 and 2013. The Dunedin test in 2012 and both the Eden Park and Ellis Ellis Park tests last year.
Pollard - even of he tries hard - could not possible be as bad as Morne Steyn was in those three tests.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
30 Jun 2014, 14:07#10
"was a major contributor to losing against them in three tests in 2012 and 2013."
You lie still. I already posted a vid of Morné in the 2013 test and posted footage PROVING that the 2012 test was chiefly lost through Goosen. You have no integrity whatsoever Michael. Foolishness is referencing a test where Morné made TWO try saving tackles and covered for misses by Eben, Jannie, Duane and Jean. Had Morné not been so good the Boks would have conceded another 4-5 tries! But hey it's Morné so lets bash him no matter what happened. And you had the gall to label Goosen the best defender in South Africa. That says it all really.
TTThe_Truth
Club Pro471 posts
TTThe_TruthClub Pro471 posts
30 Jun 2014, 14:19#11
" ....winning rugby is about playing a pivot that asks questions with ball in hand."
So, I take it Pollard does not satisfy this requirement, as Serfontein was first receiver on most of the attacking plays.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 14:33#12
Sun Tzu
Just a few questions about Morne in the three tests mentioned:-
* Who missed 5 kicks at goal in the Dunedin test in 2012 and whose "strategic kicking" was so poor that the commentators called it bullshit - and that over the air?
* Who missed to find touch with penalty kicks twice at Eden Park - handing over possession to the AB's and resulting in both cases in AB tries?
* Who missed 5 tackles during the Ellis Park test - two of which resulted in AB tries?
I am looking forward to the answers to the above questions with great anticipation - I need something to laugh about today.
Incidentally even Meyer gave up on Morne after the Dunedin test - so that may complicate your explanation.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jun 2014, 15:27#13
Bwhaaaaahaaaaa........Morne our best player - are you fucking stupid?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jun 2014, 15:28#14
No Trooooooooooooooof, you will find that when Pollard did receive the ball as first receiver, he asked questions - get it - something Morne NEVER does for he simply cant
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jun 2014, 15:28#15
No Trooooooooooooooof, you will find that when Pollard did receive the ball as first receiver, he asked questions - get it - something Morne NEVER does for he simply cant
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 15:43#16
You could also get that refreshed feeling if you showered occasionaly Dave....the English habit of washing up to the elbows doesn't really do it. Stay clean my friends.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Jun 2014, 16:15#17
Morne has had a respectable international career and those trashing him are going too far.
The fact though is in Pollard one has what looks to be a really great flyhalf. The whole sissue really is whther he is ready for top flight international rugby. Is he as an under 20 hard enough physically. We shall see. Pollard will on the form shown be a better flyhalf than Morne.
Snapster dont get carried away oak. I would hang on to Burger. He got the second highest points of any bok forard in the Sports 24 rating. As the game goes on he simply gets better and better. Posseses amazing stamina. He must start in the RC. At 31 and well rested he is looking more and more the part.
JW () could you perhaps add something sensible? Big ask I know!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 16:41#19
The straw you are looking for Dave was discernable in the second Welsh test....when a the chips were down. A combination of Victor, Morne and Willie (who you never really rated) dug us out of a deep hole. What happened on Saturday was light entertainment.
30 Jun 2014, 17:01#20
For your information, Mozart, the English do wash frequently and you would do well to desist from making racist statements particularly when you like to pull anyone and everyone up on making perceived racist statements of their own. I see you now refer to us as English especially for the insult. Strange given you usually like to call us Poms, do you not ?
Just a point about the Rugby. The commentators made many points re Pollard and his abilities. They said he had shown more attacking flair/capabilities in the first twenty mins or so than we normally see from Morne Steyn in a whole match. They also spoke highly of Serfontein and I don't recall seeing many missed tackles there. Did he slip off one ?
Yes, Scotland were dismal, but at least your younger players showed some attack and a desire to play the game. It isn't always possible against a decent side, we all know that, but some encouraging signs, surely ?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 17:35#21
There you are again....but explain the racist bit, I'm bemused...are the POMS now an official race group.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 18:11#22
Now lets get this straight
Who landed us in the hole in the first instance in that 2nd Welsh test? Morne who kicked balls away aimlessly and even made two kicks directly into toudh? Matfield who gave away an easily converted penalty?
I can understand Willie coming to the rescue - but what role did Matfield play in the process? And what did Morne do to be mentioned a a saver of the situation?
In your terminology Matfield made in your words "process tackles" and did well in line outs - but as he did zerio in teh tight phases of play his effect on the game outcome was minimal. The only effect Morne had was to kick conversions - he had no role in any of the tries scored.
Sweeping statements again without any substance at all. Mozart it is easy to bandy names about - but then there need to eb some grounds for that.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jun 2014, 18:38#25
Well his pace has stuff all to do with it......we all know that Willie does not have sheer pace.......because I conclude a very fact, does this equate to me not rating him???????
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 19:19#27
Now lets get this straight. Willie has enough pace to suit his game - that being an instinctive and creating game. He is the one player in the present backline who is creative - the rest (tother than Habana) are mostly not up to that standard.
Pollard is cretive and he has shown it on Saturday with the try scored by Willie - really something that never happened with Morne Steyn.
The other player with a lot of creativity is De Allende - who is very good in passing off-loading and creating space for other players.
I would love to see a backline comprising of the following players:-
16 Le Roux, 14 Mvovo, 13 De Allende, 12 De Villiers, 11 Habana, 10 Pollard, 9 Reinach
I would prefer Pietersen on the wing - but he is unlikely to play in the RC. Neither is De Preez readily available for that competition. He only played in two games as a starter and came of the bench in one game in 2013.
Be it as it may - the above backline would be a handful for any of the other teams in the RC.
The players not to be selected are Hougaard, Morne Steyn and Jacque Fourie. Between those three they will kill any attacking backline play.
To get the backline to function - I would like to see the following players in the forward pack:-
8 Vermeullen, 7 Burger. 6 Louw, 5 Etzebeth, 4 De Jager, 3 Malherbe, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Mtawarire
Please no further Alberts, Bakkies, Matfield and Jannie du Plessis in the mix. They would weaken the Tight 5 too much and will not contribute to getting forward carries over the gain line.
To my mind t he above is the team that could beat the Aussies and the All Blacks - something which otherwise will not be achievable.
sharkbok
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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
30 Jun 2014, 20:25#30
Jantjies better than Pollard? What a joke. Jantjies is last on that list.
The Japanese League is too physical for him, he should stick to touch rugby.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 22:47#32
I think that ll this nonsense written about what any member said in the past is meaningless. Rugby is not a dead game and there are changes that people adjust to as time goies on. To state that anybody said anything about a specific player in the past in fact means that there is no progress in thinking about the game.
What is pertinent to see how a player develops over time and that is the most important issue here. There was a ned for the replacment of Morne Steyn at flyhalf - and the obvious candidate was Goosen - but he was injured. So Meyer had to decide between Pollard and Boshoff.
He decided on Pollard who showed his real class by playing a much better game than Steyn had played in the past four years - an all-round creative game. I suaspected that it would happen and am delighted for the youngster. However, to say that Saffex did not rate Pollard is BS. Nobody did - since he had very little senior rugby previously. So those people who suddenly claim sainthood in this regard are talking tripe.
Mozart for one said he had reservations about the team and went for Pollard. Serfontein and De Jager in particular. Those were exactly the players who made a huge difference to the match.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 22:50#33
You only say that because you have no idea how to access it.....and because it stops your lies dead in their tracks. Now listen you piece of dog shit....I have never.....ever.... said anything negative about Pollard. Have you got it?
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jun 2014, 22:58#34
I would still like Boshoff to get a decent chance at 10. Anyone that shines in a lions team needs a closer look for the Boks.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jun 2014, 23:04#35
Mozart
Why don't you quote your assessment of the team and tell us exactly what you wrote last week about the team. Then we would all know who is talking rap or who not.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 23:27#36
Everything I have ever said about Pollard is positive....in the context of the Scottish game I said he should have played off the bench to avoid any Gaffie like issues. Why? Because unlike you and Sapp From the moment I saw him play, I rated him above Goosen and Lambie....and I felt a positive introduction is important.
It would be very pleasant if you stopped lying.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jun 2014, 23:46#37
Agreed Moz, I would also have preferred him playing off the bench, but as it turned out, the Scotts were even worse than they looked on paper, so no real harm done. ;-)
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jun 2014, 23:55#38
Absolutely DB...they were never a threat. Mistakenly I thought they would at least be a bit more physical.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jul 2014, 00:07#39
Mozart
Gaffie-like issues? Why come up with that and says you were positive? Sounds to me you were hoping that he would fail in the game - coming up with that kind of comment.
I have yet to see you being positive about younger players - so excuse my disbelieve.
By the way the Welsh were not the top side in the 6 Nations either - they were in fact easily beaten by the Irish 26-3. So the opposition was weak and the Springboks very nearly became unstiuck against them. So why the fuss about the sScots and no fuss about the weak Welsh team we nearly lost to in the 2nd test?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Jul 2014, 01:53#40
Hmmmmmm...eina... .maar jy is n Dom outjie.
