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How to amp up Bok back play.

Started by Mozart11 REPLIES245 VIEWS· 01 Sept 2014, 21:51
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 21:51
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01 Sept 2014, 21:51#1

Watching WP win with the running ability of Senatla the difference, makes one wonder why we always doubt the abilities of the smaller pocket rockets. Russell, Paulse, Aplon and now perhaps Kolbe and Senatla are devastating ball in hand. Not as powerful as the likes of Folau, but I guarantee you Barrett would never have stopped any of these guys the way he stopped  Folau last week.  And while Russell was a flimsy tackler, the others have done the defensive job.


Test centres have to be rocks in the modern game...but ignoring these hyper fast elusive smaller guys ignores one of our competitive advantages. There is a place for one, and that can raise the level of our whole attacking game.


That said we are desperately vulnerable with de Allende at 13 on Saturday. Outside centre is a technical, unforgiving role. De Jongh with his superb covering tackle on Sampie, clever linking play and fine angles showed again he is our best bet for a professional outside centre performance.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Sept 2014, 22:10
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01 Sept 2014, 22:10#2
 How not to amp up the Bok Bok line play.   Play Morne at 10 - Fransie at 12 and Fourie at 13.   You can have any wings outside those three deads wood players and nothing will happen.  
The best thing they can do is to play anybody but Morne at 10 - and watch out for Jean - he is not the same player he was last year.   Frankly the only player that show some ball carrying capacity in the Bok backlinein the Argentine tests  - other than Willie - was De Alende.  The rest was really dead wood in the last two tests.
Mozart's backline will go dead as sure as hell and that is wehere his backline selections will get us.   
I like Senatla - but I think Kolbe will not make the grade - should stick with Sevens.  
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
02 Sept 2014, 01:03
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02 Sept 2014, 01:03#3
 to makw smaller players useful you gotta have setious punch at 12and with your big nall carriers. then have lots of angles. its the only way but the centres are the big hurdle. thats where your space and deception is really created. our centres are garbage! cant come into the line at psace cant run the most badic lines and cant pass. they just bash and that means oyr speedsters have to attack an organized defensive line and get swamped. they camt handle that kind of intensity of tackling and attention. a guy like cruden would have been another gaffie fir sure! we dont lack talent wr jyst lack brains to do anything with it.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2014, 01:22
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02 Sept 2014, 01:22#4
 De Jongh was poor he died with ball in hand and has been average all year and at times defensively vulnerable. He is not even the answer at provincial level. Like Jordan this lad should not be playing centre.
De Allende will be good wherever he plays as he is a physical freak with good speed and skills. He is better suited to 13 than 12 as he is more a finisher than creator.
He should not be learning his 13 trade at bok level, he should have played his S15 at 13.
Make senatla a bok though
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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
02 Sept 2014, 04:33
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02 Sept 2014, 04:33#5

All our centres are poor.Not one has the ability to challenge Smith,Fekitoa and Nonu.Our centres are clueless as to attack and lack in defence.Both Australia and Nzl'nd have better combinations then we do. What we lack in the mid field is a clear example of what we lack in coaching.Our forwards domination game plan has left a void in the midfield.Our coaches just don't know how to erect talented youngster to play in the midfield.That is what makes Nzl'nd so effective as a team.They are not just a bunch of forwards...they have realised years ago the true value of running backs and angles.


Till our mentality changes towards of ever present forwards dominant game plan we will never see an effective centre combo in a Bok jersey.


Mark my words.Watch closely when we play Australia and Nzl'nd and we loose by 50 or more,it will be because of our center combo.One is a F%$£king Carthorse and the other a F%$£king dinosaur.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 05:22
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02 Sept 2014, 05:22#6
De Jongh was excellent. And , unlike JJ, he is still being picked by his province. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2014, 08:06
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02 Sept 2014, 08:06#7
 Mozart
De Jongh was excellent - when was that?  In AWOLLING from the EOYT tests in 2012?  From all the missed tackles in 2013 and 2014 Super 15 - misisng on average 30% of all attempted tackles?
From creating nothing on his own and scoring tries from space created for him by inside players?
You have a De Jongh fascination for years now -- and dream up things to promote him - but he still remains bloody useless center.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2014, 14:03
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02 Sept 2014, 14:03#8

Excellent my arse, what exactly did he do that was of any note - ZERO.

 

Taute at 12 was the better of the two by some distance and the stats confirm that.

 

Taute 51m gained, 1 clean break and 2 defenders beaten

 

de Jongh 40m gained, 0 clean breaks, 0 defenders beaten and 2 penalties conceded.

 

JJ is being rested, what will you have to say when he returns

 

JJ is a real centre unlike fly weight de Jongh who is a joke

 

He was average last weekend, did nothing

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 17:04
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02 Sept 2014, 17:04#9
De Jongh was excellent on Saturday..... The only defender Taute beat was your new hero Burger Odendaal. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Sept 2014, 17:47
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02 Sept 2014, 17:47#10
 JJ being rested is more and more starting to look like a sabbatical to me.....

JJ played 65 minutes in the Bulls' last S15 game on 11 July. He started in the CC game against the Golden Lions, almost a month later on 9 Aug, and played 65 min again. Started against WP the next week and played 55 min, and that was the end of him for the time being. How much rest does he need after that little amount of game time?

"At what stage does 'being rested' become 'being dropped'? ", one might ask.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Sept 2014, 17:54
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02 Sept 2014, 17:54#11

No de Jongh was as ordinary as he has been all year......excellent is not even close.

 

Name a single passage of play that was excellent......I have the game on my Sky box

 

Odendaal is no hero of mine, he is just a quality looking youngster......something you would know ZERO about.......for its a bunch of washed up hasbeens that float your boat.......how bloody sad is that

 

Taute beat two defenders unlike de Jongh with a big fat ZERO which is about par for the weeeeee man  

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Sept 2014, 14:50
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03 Sept 2014, 14:50#12
 JJ must leave the bulle fast unless they undertake to play him on the wing. Jan also should leave as they are busy ruining him as well.De Jongh is  pretty average and really should not be mentioned when talking Bok rugby.
What a pity Meyer dropped Allende! Allende is the real deal and will prove this in time.He has to play 13 as Jan is our future 12. Great Partnership. 
Actually Jan it is very clear - come to WP. Things have changed a lot and you will be much better off than at the Bulle - bulle loot isnt everything at this stage anyhow. Come to think of it JJ why dont you also return to WP?  
Let' s stop the bulle induced rot!
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