I give ALL the GLORY, the HONOUR, the PRAISE to GOD for the ABs win

 wait on....dontcha nee d to thank Allah as well?

 sorry Denny - different Team

 There is nothing God honouring about the abs having already won the RC as the Boks were shafted against oz and indeed against the abs. OZ definitely should never ever have won that test. It was get the Jarpeis all over yet again.
Rugby is of course a minor matter when compared to the creation. I do trust you dont believe in the universe from nothing absurdity hacked waaugh. Where do you stand on this ?

God wears an All Black cap every Saturday Beeno. Accept it and move on.

 I believe GOD created the Universe Beeno but don't see the need to prove that to anyone - However if you look at the All Blacks winning the 2011 RWC, that is 100% due to GOD - Carter down, Slade down, Cruden down, McCaw with an infected swollen foot, Read with a shoulder injury, Stephen Donald of all people kicking the match winning penalty (there is something in the Bible about GOD using the weak to confound the wise -->fancy that, Stephen Donald the most hated Former Number 10 in NZ Whitebaiting in a river, so match unfit his beer tummy couldn't be hidden by the Black Jersey - you couldn't have written a better script.

 I think it was less to do with God, Hakwa..............

 It certainly wasn't due to our dwarf throwing prowress Becs or cleavage gazing

Your country has no business holding dwarf throwing comps, Hakwa. 

Do you want me to bring out the list if alcoholic, naked, tourist attacking All Black's ? Players missing flights because they are out with bimbos ? 
Would you like me to do that ? Because I think I can, can't I ? !  

 That's business as usual for us in the islands Becs  - and much much worse 
BUT CHRIST didn't come to die for the righteous Becs, he came to die for us wayward sinners in the heathen islands - now instead of fighting one another in tribal warfare, we play rugby

 I will take your word for it.
But I think it is a cop out.

Behaving as badly as possible and going to Church on Sunday never quite rang true for me !  

 A Church is a spiritual hospital Becs where you go to get spiritual healing and tell GOD how great he is and how bad you are and have been and how much you need him - hardly a place where you can go and crow about how good you are or have been  (easy for us in the islands)

 No, but it isn't somewhere to go after a week of mayhem and total disregard for the code of the Bible, say a couple of Hail Mary's and gain Absolution either, now is it ?  

Or am I wrong yet again ? 

 Becs, that's the Catholic way I think.

 I was just using that as an example....Draad. 

All Religion works along the same lines.....does it not ????? 

Different terms, same principles.......

 Of course Becs, you are right. GOD is not limited to the Confession booth - he is very much alive here on ruckersforum  

 Mr S will be thrilled you hold him in such high regard !!!  

Thanks Becs, with the right type of words coming from you, one could almost be led to believe you believe in GOD too - Did you feel I was close to converting you at any stage? 

 No, I am never close to conversion ! 
Many have tried....and failed in that pursuit  

I just have a healthy interest in all Religions...as I said, I specialised in Religious History for a while, and the Reformation in particular. 
And I am not the sourpuss you believe me to be  

 Sourpuss, you? Never 
Religious History aye? I am sure amidst all that rubble, there is a GOLD thread/vein somewhere, maybe find it and mine it. 

 Hey Cloudy  - How are you ? Hope your family is doing well. Goodnight and talk to you later. Goodnight to you too Becs. Sweet dreams to you both.

 Night night, Hakwa  

 Becs, just having studied something don't make you an exper. I study women all the time, but must concede, I'll never completely understand them. As for the reformation, rather steer clear of that, as from your previous remarks on the subject, you clearly missed the essence of it. Luther might have been wrong about a lot of things, but his contribution was vefy importand for Christianity. And no, he did not say God and the Devil is the same person. Quite the opposite actually!

 Oh boy.....if I could get in my attic, I would damned well find the quotes for you ! My text books and essays and all my bumpf is up there. Somewhere I haven't been for twenty one years. 

I was heading to become a Professor of History. That would have made me somewhat of an expert in my field, I suppose. 

Then again, I am used to being told I am moronic in the extreme by just about everyone here, so join the queue....just make it orderly, please. I am English and, as such, I don't like people barging in to the front ! Wait your turn  

 Becs, I'm not saying you are moronic, but as a protestant christian and according to the bit of research I have done, I'm saying you are wrong on this matter. You might be confusing with someone else or misunderstood something whatever, but from what I have read on Martin Luther, the Devil was the mortal enemy of all Christians. He was labeled a heretic by the Catholic church so some things might have been wrongly attributed to him, but I can't believe that you will find it anywhere in his teachings. I am open to discussion, but I'm not just gonna take your word for it, neither some notes in your attic. I would like to see some better references than that. I'm not saying that I think you would lie about it, just that you are unknowingly wrong in this instance. Prove me wrong.

 Nope, I am not thinking of anyone else.The Reformation, as you should well know, is mostly concerned with Martin Luther as the founder of Protestantism. It is not just some notes in my attic, it is texts, tracts, essays etc etc. Not just things I have written, it is teachings on Religious History. 
I can tell you one thing, Anabaptism is a nightmare. Like a flaming amoeba......

 Ja ja Gott mitt uns.

 From Wiki
South German Anabaptism had its roots in German mysticism. Andreas Karlstadt, who first worked alongside Martin Luther , is seen as a forerunner of South German Anabaptism due to his reforming theology that rejected many Catholic practices, including the rejection of infant baptism. However, Karlstadt is not known to have been "rebaptized", nor to have taught it. Hans Denck and Hans Hut, both with German Mystical background (in connection with Thomas Muntzer) both accepted "rebaptism", but Denck eventually backed off from the idea under pressure. Hans Hut is said to have brought more people into early Anabaptism than all the other Anabaptist evangelists of his time put together. However, there may have been confusion about what his baptism (at least some of the times it was done by making the sign of the Tau on the forehead) may have meant to the recipient. Some seem to have taken it as a sign by which they would escape the apocalyptical revenge of the Turks that Hut predicted. Hut even went so far as to predict a 1528 coming of the kingdom of God. When the prediction failed, some of his converts became discouraged and left the Anabaptist movement. The large congregation of Anabaptists at Augsburg fell apart (due in part to persecution) and those who stayed with Anabaptist ideas were absorbed into Swiss and Moravia Anabaptist congregations.[37]:35–117[38] Pilgram Marpeck was another notable leader in early South German Anabaptism.

 Yes, I know all about him....goodness me, do you want me to take a lesson ? It could take some time  

We have to discuss dear old Jean Calvin too !!!! 


And my Tutor was a Lutheran Baptist...........