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I have a plan says rugby genius Rassie Erasmus

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Mar 2018, 14:12
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02 Mar 2018, 14:12#1

We know all the ignorant Rassie scoffers are secretly hoping Rassie will fail so they can wag their well manicured fingers and say I told you so etc. However SA Rugby men are wishing him the very best as he bravely takes hold of the poisoned chalice and fights to restore Bok greatness against all internal odds.


The moment that Rassie Erasmus was asked why he was the right appointment to a Springbok position so littered with coaches that tried and failed, he answered forthrightly: I have a plan.

The new Bok coach is confident that the plan he has, for the job he has always wanted, will be a simpler one to his predecessors, and will be based on success.

In his opening day as Bok coach Erasmus made it clear that winning rugby was the only currency for his tenure as coach and while that might not always satisfy the needs of the rugby faithful, it will be an important part of his tenure.

Erasmus believes his plan will work not because it simply is a better plan than others before him, but rather because he knows how to negotiate the “potholes”. It is in being able to do this in a treacherous environment that Erasmus believes he will be able to succeed where some of his predecessors have failed.

“If you’re asking about the appointment, the leadership needs to answer that. Me personally, well We’ve got a plan. I’ve seen a few plans in the past, I’ve seen the potholes and if you come into a system and you’ve got so many plans, but you don’t understand what the potholes are and you want to see, you want to learn from your own mistakes, normally you get fired before you learn from those mistakes,” he explained.

One of those potholes has been the enduring argument by coaches for pre-season camps, for access to players and to have everybody working to ensure the Springboks are the greatest priority and not just a sidebar in some parts of the rugby country.

To do this he is keen to head out into the country, not to disrupt the teams from their own environment but to blend himself into theirs. To be with the sides as they negotiate Super Rugby and to make sure the players know and see him a lot more often than has been the case in the past.

There is a thing in South Africa where access to the players has always been a problem. We see it as this massive obstacle. From my point of view, it isn’t a simple plan, but if you don’t go out there and coach 365 days and be with those teams, overcome that hurdle and get to know the players, get to see the players, their conditioning, when they are in the team talk, when they are under pressure, when they get dropped? If you don’t see them in that environment with those franchises then I think you are knocking on a closed door forever.

“That to me would be the big thing. We have really done that since November. The last thing is that I think we have good coaches, and we have the playing personnel, so if we can tie those two together and hard work, we are in with a good chance.”

Erasmus will have a much smaller management team than some of his predecessors as well, and believes it is necessary to “keep things aligned”. But he is willing to admit he doesn’t have all the answers and in a situation like that will rather look to consultants to fill any void that is needed.

“When you talk of a streamlined management team, to me it is nice to have 23 management members - I see England has that and that is a trend that is going on,” he added.

“That’s nice to have that working with people, but I think the daily people you want to manage around Springbok players is not more than 12 or 13. There are so many opinions and IP there that you have to keep everybody aligned.

“The actual management team will be around that but we will definitely have room for consultants. We don’t think we have all the answers, there are definitely shortcomings in our management team which we won’t fill today. In the next few months and weeks where we see we need that we will fill it up.”

Erasmus is still in his honeymoon period as coach and the tough times are still ahead. Most notably a three-test series against England in June which will test his plans and priorities. But for now he believes he is on the right track and has been given an extremely generous six year contract to prove himself.

Only time will tell if his plan will work as well as he believes it will.

Go Rassie and the Boks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2018, 14:31
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02 Mar 2018, 14:31#2

I agree with you on the issue of appointment of Rassie, but it is obvious that Mozart does not agree and is already arguing that he would fail.   So putting this thread on you are looking for trouble.  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
02 Mar 2018, 15:22
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02 Mar 2018, 15:22#3
Rassie is not the quality of a New Zealand coach or Eddie Jones, but he is much better than most if not all of our SA coaches. 
He is an analyst- so he will pinpoint weaknesses and recruit coaching consultants. 
It is unfortunate about Stick- as it would have been ideal to have a backline coach from anywhere but South Africa. Our coaches have totally fallen behind in backline play. 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
02 Mar 2018, 16:15
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02 Mar 2018, 16:15#4
Everybody always had a plan. Harry Viljoen had one. Carel Dup had one. Mallett had one. HM had one. PDV had one. You can name them all. The only one, from my memory, who did not have this elaborate plan was Jake White. He had a vision. He said that he was going to win the RWC in four year’s time. His only pre-plannning was to make John Smit the captain. The test he made up and/or adopted as he went along. Whenever he hit a bump in the road, he made s plan. When he saw that he was battling in the backline dept, he made a plan and drafted on Eddie Jones. Some fools around here think that his bringing in Eddie Jones was a sign of what a crap coach he was. IMO it was rather a sign of his astuteness to recognise a shortcoming and doing something about it to solve it.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2018, 16:36
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02 Mar 2018, 16:36#5
Outstanding post Vlag.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2018, 17:25
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02 Mar 2018, 17:25#6

 Why include H Meyer in the plan category.   Both Meyer and White had one plan - play 10 man rugby and kick the ball so as not to allow it to go beyond the flyhalf.   If there is an accident and the pall was passed to the inside center he had to crashball.  

Ultimately the non-existent plan did not work.and that is a fact.   The changes to the laws made that kind of rugby unworkable and that is why Meyer's contract was not renewed and White was fired by both the Sharks and Montpellier,

So I would rather have a coach who knows the game and knows how to identify problems and endeavour to correct deficiencies than somebody who thinks he knows how to play 10 man rugby and cannot identify and correct deficiencies.     ,

 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Mar 2018, 17:30
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02 Mar 2018, 17:30#7

The Rassie pessimists on here are just as bad as the JW detractors used to be. Inseed Beeno, it seems that there are a few so called Bok supporters almost willing Rassie to fail. Sad.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2018, 17:40
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02 Mar 2018, 17:40#8
Nonsense Draad. Nobody is wishing him to fail, it's far more fun when the Bok are winning. But I have never been a Rassie fan, even when he was a player. If he can show the guts to sail his own course, ignore the critics, be willing to be unpopular, perhaps he can turn this ship around. The Stick decision immediately puts that in doubt.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Mar 2018, 17:55
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02 Mar 2018, 17:55#9

Mozart

At last the truth - you cannot understand rugby and get enmeshed with people - those you dislike you attack endlessly - the ones you like you praise even when they fail consistently.

So Coetzee was to be given a chance by you - Rassie is not.   So you make a total fool of yourself in the process.   Give the chap a chance.  

Incidentally Rassie was a top class loosie - the tripe like Alberts and Louw you support was never top class - matter of fact Alberts was not even bottom class.

The reason for the above is that I like thinking players - not manufactured duds.   Yjese players may make one mistake in every 20 efforts -  you will always harp on the mistake and never consider  the 19 times they succeed,   That is why for all intends and purposes you bever mention try scoring as a positive  factor in games, especially if those tries are scored by the players you dislike.  

Away with dud coaches and dud players.           

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
02 Mar 2018, 17:58
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02 Mar 2018, 17:58#10
a boer maak in plan, maar an Engels man make a be tter een.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Mar 2018, 19:14
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02 Mar 2018, 19:14#11

Beeno...I understand how desperate Saffa's rely on some imagined guru can first of all solve their problems...whether rugby or political...or world problems especially centering around US leader...you of all people should know this that no man or created creature can solve man's problems...I certainly believe in this context no man can. The problems lie deeper than this.

Rassie has still a long road to travel and pre-suppose that he is the answer (based on really no proof) is really stupid and presumptious...the same can be said for Trump as a "solver" of the USA problems let alone the world's.

Yes, give them a chance to walk their talk but don't get excited until they get the job done...talk has always been cheap and irrevalent until the job is done...only give credit when it's due...speeches mean absolutely nil but yes give them a chance to fulfill their talk.

Coming to rugby...Rassie has not proved his prowess...he seems a sensible choice but it has still to be proved in a very different rugby enviroment where expectations are too high.

Well at least lets see!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2018, 19:37
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02 Mar 2018, 19:37#12
Well said Chabal....that's the sensible position.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Mar 2018, 20:40
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02 Mar 2018, 20:40#13

Bwahahahahhahaha the Rassie scoffers are running for cover already. 

Ou Sebolobsky hasn't bothered to read my posts re Rassie so naturally he his comments are no more that empty babblings. - Coming to rugby...Rassie has not proved his prowess  HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Mar 2018, 21:12
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02 Mar 2018, 21:12#14
Running for cover? We have been accused of being disloyal, knowing nothing about the game and running for cover...all because we aren't convinced Erasmus is going to beat 50% this season. As always I will treat things on it's merits.....I like his observations about aerial skills, I don't like him talking up Stick.....if he was bullied into accepting him, at least have the honesty to maintain radio silence.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Mar 2018, 22:43
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02 Mar 2018, 22:43#15

Look what Rassie said about Stick and think again Dr Moz! I had to school poor wee cc on the matter!

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Mar 2018, 05:04
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03 Mar 2018, 05:04#16

Some excellent comments and observations...............as for a plan, why what's new? We've heard it all before. JW had a simple one, he cut his cloth to the material in hand and then had Eddie fill a much needed hole. Employing Eddie was a masterstroke which again emphasizes Jake's judgement. Think what you want about JW but he had his finger on the pulse and never lost his focus and strategy. And yes that strategy might not work in today's rugby but the important thing is that Jake realized a strategy for the time and realized  success.

Rassie would  be a fool not to have one, every coach worth his salt has one but for mine I hope he has a plan B as a backup.....just in case...

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Mar 2018, 07:50
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03 Mar 2018, 07:50#17

Oh come now ... what is a vision but a set of finely thought out plans.

It's the same damn thing.

The only issue I have with Rassie is that he's lied to us about his appointment of the useless quota backline coach. 

We will soon see whether his plans or "vision" amount to anything other than lip service.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
03 Mar 2018, 07:59
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03 Mar 2018, 07:59#18

Talk is cheap, let's wait until he picks a squad....it will be a telling factor.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
03 Mar 2018, 08:09
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03 Mar 2018, 08:09#19

Beenz...I'm just saying NOT to get over-excited about what plans are still to be proved...what Rassie says he is gonna do and what our expectations are, are still to be realised.

Quite frankly, I'm cynical but yes give the man a chance but it would have been far better if a guy like Mitch and/or Ackers was employed in the first place...these guys have achieved...there is credentials here...Rassie has not proved anything yet...if he fails it will be ANOTHER step backwards.

Whether you like it or not our coaches seem to have hidden problems in putting confidence back to players...it's our underlying mind problems in this country.

A New Zealand coach should have been another option, in fact it's the one I would favour...look at Vern Cotter what he's done with Scotland and yes, most of you don't know this Milton Haig has brought a minnow side like Georgia as a side that is no push over...not too mention all the big guns...look at what Plum did for the Sharks and yet we sent him packing and now as a forwards coach for the Canes his input.

No, I'm not talking crap...the proof of the pudding is in the eating of it...that's just simple common sense.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2018, 10:53
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03 Mar 2018, 10:53#20
I don't believe Rassie had any choice regarding Stick. Rassie however s making the best of it and will get value out of tick. He is that canny.Now could all you over the top Rassie bashers give it a break and lets see what happens. What  a tedious bunch of pessimistic oaks!
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Mar 2018, 11:08
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03 Mar 2018, 11:08#21

I said ALMOST willing him to fail....and I really hope it's only almost.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Mar 2018, 11:26
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03 Mar 2018, 11:26#22

Well ... he has a good scrum coach and his defense coach is right up there with the best.

Perhaps he'll tell the quota to rather stay at home. I can't see anything positive coming from this useless token.

I want the Boks to clean up all comers ... so Rassie and his lying tongue will be given a break. I expect a dramatic improvement against the English.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Mar 2018, 11:55
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03 Mar 2018, 11:55#23

WTF!!!??? ADMIN ALERT!!! 

CC's account has been hacked!!!... didn't even mention goats once...the sky is falling!!!

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Mar 2018, 13:14
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03 Mar 2018, 13:14#24

LOL!!!


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