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Started by Mozart26 REPLIES498 VIEWS· 26 Jul 2019, 14:33
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2019, 14:33
#1
26 Jul 2019, 14:33#1
Mapimpi.....executing a goal line tackle Am pining for Esterhozen. Allende 'shepherding' SBW for 30 metres. Kitshoff doing nothing. Fattie Malherbe belly flopping. Stephanie cross kicking from the left wing. Jantjies doing a no look pass to Ioane. Bongi being spooked by hitting Lomp in the face last week. .............. But at least we'll be spared. Lomp hitting his scrumhalf in the goons with his lineout service. Nkosi being gassed by Read. And Gelant kicking turnover ball out on the full.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 14:47
#2
26 Jul 2019, 14:47#2

No Mozart

What we are bound to see are -

*   another inability to form driving mauls because of Mostert's physical deficiency;

*   flops and knock-ons by Louw if he is taken onto the field;

*   Fat Fransie - heaven help us he does not come on - losing the plot completely.

The rest of what you hope not to see is your total misrepresentation of facts - prejudice and lies won't help you ever in making honest player assessments.   No further Idiot Speaking please. .      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2019, 14:54
#3
26 Jul 2019, 14:54#3
Oh you mean Fransie losing the established plot that Bok centres can't create anything.....and setting up a try as he did last week by sucking in two defenders and offloading.
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:11
#4
26 Jul 2019, 15:11#4

Sorry moz...

As much as mike talks shit 95% of the time.. this post was pure bait!

not your usual high standard.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:17
#5
26 Jul 2019, 15:17#5
Geez Chip-Ou you sure know how to hurt a guy. I thought it was a platform for a mature, informed rugby debate....hahaha.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:18
#6
26 Jul 2019, 15:18#6

Fransie is losing the plot all the time and the following is pertinent:-

*   His defense is putrid - the Foley try on Saturday was typical.  He never made a tackle in 29 minutes and missed one tackle.   Typical

*   He has no ability to make line breaks and set up an attack - total flop in that respect.   Saturday he carried the ball six times and passed the ball once - typical crashballing - the only way he can play.  Too slow to do anything constructive.

*    His o ut of hand kicking game was always a disaster.   Inaccurate and aimless.  He still holds the Super Rugby record for most possession losses in a year - mostly due to shocking kicking.

Heaven help us if he comes on early - then we will suffer.   he covers for Pollard because Jantjies was questionable against the Aussies and wilt under pressure.  Totally useless.

One cannot get anything on rugby into your thick skull - but Esterhuizen was poor on Saturday so why should Am pine for him?   Really the most ridiculous statement I have heard for years.

       


        

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:18
#7
26 Jul 2019, 15:18#7

Fransie is losing the plot all the time and the following is pertinent:-

*   His defense is putrid - the Foley try on Saturday was typical.  He never made a tackle in 29 minutes and missed one tackle.   Typical

*   He has no ability to make line breaks and set up an attack - total flop in that respect.   Saturday he carried the ball six times and passed the ball once - typical crashballing - the only way he can play.  Too slow to do anything constructive.

*    His o ut of hand kicking game was always a disaster.   Inaccurate and aimless.  He still holds the Super Rugby record for most possession losses in a year - mostly due to shocking kicking.

Heaven help us if he comes on early - then we will suffer.   he covers for Pollard because Jantjies was questionable against the Aussies and wilt under pressure.  Totally useless.

One cannot get anything on rugby into your thick skull - but Esterhuizen was poor on Saturday so why should Am pine for him?   Really the most ridiculous statement I have heard for years.

       


        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:18
#8
26 Jul 2019, 15:18#8
See?
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:41
#9
26 Jul 2019, 15:41#9

ok... i see what you mean.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Jul 2019, 15:51
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26 Jul 2019, 15:51#10

His defense is putrid - the Foley try on Saturday was typical. 

That's the one where Foley passes to Beale, right? Just want to make sure which flight of fantasy we're on here exactly.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 16:17
#11
26 Jul 2019, 16:17#11

Pakie

Where was Steyn in the whole process. Out of the defensive line.  Dimnes - you are forgiven.  


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
26 Jul 2019, 16:34
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26 Jul 2019, 16:34#12

No, he was exactly where he should have been.

So by the way, that's Beale (turned into a white guy specially for that move) in the 22 jersey just before Foley puts him into the gap, as per your description elsewhere.

No dimness when Foley ran past Steyn he assed the ball to Beale and the latter was in the clear. 

Ha. Ha. Ha.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Jul 2019, 17:06
#13
26 Jul 2019, 17:06#13

Mike straining to keep the fight alive...


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 17:11
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26 Jul 2019, 17:11#14

Steyn still buggered up badly - he is normally useless in defense anyway   = ;omg history of that - typical example he twice fell on his arse when tryi ng to tackle de Allende. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Jul 2019, 17:17
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26 Jul 2019, 17:17#15
Frans at no point fell over when tackling Damian. There was only one instance of either player going to ground in a tackle scenario and that was Damian when he spun around Frans to the ground out wide near the touchline. Frans is one of the best defensive back we have fielded. You can mount a successful WC campaign with Frans, there is no history of title winning pedigree with Damian. Even when the Boks are on top, such as the Ellis Park loss last year, he still can't deliver the goods! You'd make a better defence of Damian if you stopped stubbornly persisting with these comparisons. It makes both of you look bad! 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 19:08
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26 Jul 2019, 19:08#16

He landed on his arse trying tot tackle De Allende - not once but twice in he same game.   An description of yours to explain that away is total and utter BS,   De Allende made two clean breaks  that day and played the fool with Fatso.

Steyn was one of the worst defenders for three years in Super Rigby and in 2014 he was rated by Foxsport as the number 252 player overall performance wise and the number 32 center ion the competition.   That record stand.

So with him in the team we are doomed \ slow in action and thinking - he needed time to make decisions at 10 and as consequently a flop.   In Super Rugby ghee was only beaten for kicking out of hand insofar as aimless and poorly directed kicks are concerned by Morne  Steyn and that set an extremely low bar.

So here we have a player from a Club not renewing their contract with him because he is useless - being good enough topla test rugby  - LMAO.             

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Jul 2019, 19:17
#17
26 Jul 2019, 19:17#17

Well, Frans played better in that Aussie win than Damian has in his entire test career. That's the funniest part of all of this, the great lengths you have to go to criticise these players. If any one was played the fool with, it was you, at the coldblooded hand of Pakie. That thread is going to haunt you for years to come. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2019, 21:00
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26 Jul 2019, 21:00#18

What??????????  Steyn replaced the even more useless player Esterhuizen - played a bit better;

What did he do in the game that was worth anything - ball hogging - no tackles made but 1 missed - poor carries - and he played a role in the victory????????   Lets say his role was worth about 1% as against Esterhuizen's of 0,5%      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jul 2019, 01:22
#19
27 Jul 2019, 01:22#19
So 0.5% is more than 1%?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Jul 2019, 01:49
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27 Jul 2019, 01:49#20

E sterhuizen was ball hogging, with 1.6% possession. The lowest possession stat of the Bok backline! Frans ended with 2.8%. A little more, but still less than six other backs. Now that raises an interesting question. If either player was hogging the ball, how do you suppose 7/6 players had more ball? If they were the hogs, they'd have the glut of possession from non-halfbacks and the rest would have anaemic numbers. As it happens, Kriel (4.8%), Gelant (6.0%), Nkosi (3.6%) had more. So what do we learn? The ball wasn't being moved through 12. That wasn't the gameplan. As I noted since the EOYT, there was a shift after the Twickenham test in that there was a greater effort to play through 13, not 12. 

If we do look at possession stats when Damian plays, it isn't uncommon for our wings to have very little ball - usually one with 1.0% or less - and Damian in the region of 7%. Andre has never had that much ball to work with, which makes the fact that he has greater attacking output more impressive. 

Once again Mike von Klevar. You lose. I believe Shao Khan said it best...


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jul 2019, 03:53
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27 Jul 2019, 03:53#21

Steyn was ball-hogging dimness.  Carrying the ball 6 times and passing only once is ball hogging,  Remind me of the 2014 game against the Hurricanes where Steyn pass the ball only 5 times I the whole fame at 12 and only once to the full back - the other 4 times to forwards.   The reason his passing average was then about the same as his passing game was.

I also gained the impression that Jantjies was cutting out Steyn because he is utterly useless.   Bioth are not playing today - and both for the same reason.   Under expectation performance.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jul 2019, 04:03
#22
27 Jul 2019, 04:03#22
'Carrying the ball 6 times and only passing the ball once'....ignores his offload. So Frans moves the ball on twice in six runs. Kriel passes twice in 10 runs....there's your ball hog.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jul 2019, 07:41
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27 Jul 2019, 07:41#23

No Mozart - you ignore the rest of what I said and also that Steyn produced zero of any real consequence in that match/  He has a notorious record with the Sharks on RC level - despite your defense of all the poor aspects of his game to be ignored.   He was ball hogging playing for the Sharks and his kicking out of hand game was notoriously bad    So was his defense. 

Lets face facts - anybody who claims otherwise is lying on site,   Tell me two things though.  Why was Steyn used at full back by his club for most matches this year and why did they not renew his contract - leading to reports that he was hunting for a SA franchise contract?  

Would  a performing player's contract not be renewed by his club?   I knew that Morne Steyn was basically used by Stade Francais as a bench player while you constantly insisted that he was good enough to play test rugby - which he obviously was not.  Another Steyn and the same BS story. When w ill you ever learn anything about rugby? 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Jul 2019, 08:04
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27 Jul 2019, 08:04#24
I like that you referred to that Hurricanes games. It was the game where the Canes deployed a vicious outside rush that cut the Sharks backline off out wide. A game where Kankowski stated at halftime they needed to stop forcing passes. Frans was one of two players to generate any kind of platform all game. Without him, they would not have been able to move the ball. You see the numbers but not the context. Just like the WC Welsh test, you believed the Boks should go wide, completely misunderstanding how the Welsh defended. You could not assess how the best defence at the World Cup shutdown the best attacking side of 2015. The Bok's very first wide play ends in Damian's hands, he gets turned over and the Welsh run it back to within inches of the Bok tryline. A little crashball would have helped. You never understand the balance.

As it happens, Andre and Frans are the only two 12s in SA who can pass with purpose, or offload with purpose. Two Boks that contributed to two tries. It makes a mockery of your claims that they are useless. 

"I also gained the impression that Jantjies was cutting out Steyn because he is utterly useless.   Bioth are not playing today - and both for the same reason"

There you go, making assumptions... or just lying, in other words. Your man J-Raz had a plan, and it was to attack with width. Elton was following instructions. The gameplan must not have been as effective as you thought, seeing as you conclude the fruit of that plan was "useless". 

As for them being useless, who selected them Einstein? You never blame J-Raz for selecting these "useless" players, why? You said he never ever selects based on reputation but on playing ability, that he has the best analytics of all South Africans. Another tremor to rattle your ill-conceived gibberish.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Jul 2019, 08:52
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27 Jul 2019, 08:52#25

Listen dimness - what Fat Frabnsie did in that Hurricanes game was to fuck it up totally.  Crashballing and then lose possession at the breakdowns is not acceptable - idiots may think it is as is event y by your comments.

By the way - hat twaddle is earthshattering BS  - and a mountain of it.  How can their be a vicious outside back rush defense proven when the ball did not go outside of Fatso once?.

Erasmus is in a bad position and I actually made a mistake - it was Esterhuizen - not Steyn - wo was cut  out last Saturday.  Must admit I was shocked to see Fatso and no-brain Esterhuizen in the squad.  Maybe he wanted to see the two again and I bet neither of them will be in the WC quad.  By then Willemse will be back and be included.    Erasmus better look for another flyhalf and I am sure if they want to take four centers top the WC Serfintein will be the fourth center.

When will you ever stop day dreaming about Steyn and Esterhuizen being the only  to 12'swith a decent passing record,. They do not have one,  Just to prove that you lied again here are De Allende's stats for the WC   Welsh match:-

de Allende 0/0 0 1/1/14 59 0 3 02 7/1 0/0 0 0/0

De Allende carried the ball 14 times for a territory gain of 59 meters.  The ball did not go wider because Meyer's game plan id not allow for it.   The Welsh did a terrible job of containing De Allende that day - so another BS mountain story by you exposed,  

As kakpraat 'n siekte is,  is  jy permanent in "intensive care".   Try again stupid.   LMAO 

By the way De Allende was not perfect - he conceded 2of the turnovers that day if the 14 turnovers given away by the Springboks..  Of the rest Burger conceded 3 and Willie le Roux 2.

Why all the turnovers the loosies did not help at all iro ball protection and recovery.   

  

        

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Jul 2019, 09:10
#26
27 Jul 2019, 09:10#26
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
27 Jul 2019, 09:11
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27 Jul 2019, 09:11#27

The very first Bok attack wide, Damian gets turned over, the Welsh run it back to within inches of a try. They followed the Mike blueprint - which I dismissed as foolishness - and the exact thing I warned would happen, happened. Where was Damian? Out wide, exactly as he had been throughout the 2015 SXV, something you deny ever happened. Of all people, it is him that got turned over. The yolk is pouring over your face like molten lava. 

Here's another stat: Who conceded the turnover, the carrier, or the cleaners being beaten at the breakdown? If you knew how the Welsh defended, you'd have the answers. This game freely available online. Go back and take notes.

You are too easy Lügnerin. It is best you refrain from using numbers as you have no idea how to use them. Like a toddler handling a grenade! 

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