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I like the new scrum

Started by Mozart10 REPLIES259 VIEWS· 18 Aug 2013, 17:09
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2013, 17:09
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18 Aug 2013, 17:09#1
It seemed like we were getting far fewer resets. But there was still plenty of opportunity for the stronger scrum to dominate....perhaps more so because you don't start with the paralysing effect of the hit. The new rule combined with throwing the ball in straight was a blast from the past. Can "foot up".....something from our distant past.... be far behind? - Joking aside, the new setup places far more emphasis on hooking and a player like Moore seemed to struggle. Or perhaps the pressure made it hard for him to do his work, something that was also part of rugby in the old days. - Two props who were surprisingly poor yesterday, were Steenkamp and Franks. Steenkamp hinged like there was no tomorrow....perhaps the forward movement of the hit has been helping with that problem, but whatever the reason, he looked totally at fault in almost every scrum. Franks, likewise got a rare penalty and was subbed at 60 minutes. This guy was probably the second best TH after Castro with the hit in place....seems he may not be as purely powerful. - On the evidence it seems there are winners and losers with the new scrum, and not necessarily the guys we might have thought. It puts more emphasis on pure power....I can't wait to see Castrogiovanni in this set up.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
18 Aug 2013, 17:23
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18 Aug 2013, 17:23#2

 Adam Jones is one to watch adapt to the new rules, busy scrummager in the world. Coenie looked decent come scrum time, could've looked better had Guthro held his own.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2013, 17:50
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18 Aug 2013, 17:50#3
Mozart Especially when your favourite Steenkamp is scrumming???????????? LOL
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Aug 2013, 17:50
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18 Aug 2013, 17:50#4

mozart

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I like the new scrum
August 18, 2013, 15:09:16

On the evidence it seems there are winners and losers with the new scrum, and not necessarily the guys we might have thought. It puts more emphasis on pure power....I can't wait to see Castrogiovanni in this set up.

 

 

Moz, Castro has just joined Toulon and he came on off the bench against Montpellier on Friday evening.

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2013, 18:10
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18 Aug 2013, 18:10#5
I watched a few scrums Vlag.....Toulon were getting pinged on the LH side. But to me the Montpelier loosehead could just as easily have been called for hinging. Thanks for that, Castro is one of my favourite players to watch.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Aug 2013, 18:16
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18 Aug 2013, 18:16#6

I think the refs are still guessing. As I have said elsewhere, the same happened yesterday. Steenkamp was the one who hinged twice, but the first time he was penalised and the second time it was the Argie. On both accounts, exactly the same thing happened, yet the ref decided that the one was Steenkamps fault and the other one was the Argie's fault.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2013, 18:18
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18 Aug 2013, 18:18#7
I agree with your comment on another string, that both times it was Steenkamp's fault.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
18 Aug 2013, 19:23
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18 Aug 2013, 19:23#8

too early to really judge, but i dont like the new way of setting up scrums as much as the last. i really miss that crouch touch and the WHOMPF when the front row colides, hope it dosent turn into a league scrum which anyones grandmother could pack down to.

i do like the less restarts though, and the hookers having to hook is a nice bonus, as is the ref pinging the halfback for not straight feeds.

refs do look a litte lost though, i wonder what kind of scrummaging training they get when they start officiating the top level games, cos there are some very 50/50 calls. but they will get better and IMO by the time the EYOT comes round, all their cylinders will be firing.

@mozter,
i dont agree with franks, IMO there was one scrum he screwed up, but for the resdt he was very solid.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Aug 2013, 20:11
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18 Aug 2013, 20:11#9
Well it's early days Sasue.....my guess is both Franks and Steenkamp will do better next weekend. But Franks' superiority, shown in the past, may just have more to do with the hit than the shove. This was bound to happen to a few guys.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 20:15
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18 Aug 2013, 20:15#10

 Moz the news rules are excellent. I was pleased to see scrummies being blown for putting the ball in skew. The scrum will again be a genuine contest. A huge plus it reduces the ability of bent refs to blow a side out of the game at scrum time. More difficult for bent refs to crook in this area now. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 20:36
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18 Aug 2013, 20:36#11

Lady Cloudy given how Joubert handed the WC to the wee abs after they were comprehensively outplayed by France in the final I am sure he is nz's favourite saffa ref. I think this is blinding you as to his very ordinary looks - by saffa standards of course - but it could also be because of what you are used to in nz.  eg saSUE  

There was an artilce I posted how SA props had become so afraid to go for the hit as they were being blown up so much! I cannot but think this is a great move forward for us. Could it be that our mastery of the exquisite rolling maul is an indication of how things may pan out under the new laws. whatever the case we can only be better off. The laws result in a more honest result which will always favour us.

 

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