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OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
28 Aug 2013, 06:25
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28 Aug 2013, 06:25#1

Mark Reason - the only really dissident voice in the NZ rugby press - believe he emigrated from England to NZ a few years ago and brought with him some of the British press irreverence - he definitely refuses to toe the puff piece party line. I have pasted his report below, but its pretty funny to actually read the comments on the  website, he is public enemy #1 - click here.

 

OPINION: Hang on a moment.

The All Blacks' Bledisloe Cup victory over Australia on Saturday was not the summer solstice, a holy day or the dawn of the age of enlightenment. 

It was a poor performance over fatally flawed opposition, aided and abetted by a South African referee who has clearly not yet come to terms with the principle of equality.

Let's start with Tom Taylor, because in some ways the young man stands as a metaphor for the relentless publicity that is part of the All Blacks genius. 

Reading about Taylor before and after the game, I was nearly fooled into thinking I had just seen the reincarnation of Barry John. The reality was nearer to Monty Python's Life of Brian and the line, 'He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy'.

Taylor has a great deal of ability, but Steve Hansen's foolhardy gamble of playing the kid at first-five with almost no football in that position this season could have cost New Zealand the game.

Taylor was out of his depth defensively, not sure whether to stay or go. He frequently dog-legged, and his flimsiness in the tackle made it hard for Ma'a Nonu and Richie McCaw to decide whether to press or hold back.

Taylor was the passive tackler when Stephen Moore offloaded to Christian Leali'ifano in the first half and he was brushed aside by Israel Folau in the second. On both occasions Australia would have scored but for deliberate New Zealand infringements. 

They were far from the only times that the Wallabies exploited his channel. Taylor's restarts did not offer the chance to win back possession and his kicking out of hand was mediocre. 

But because of a couple of lovely passes near to the gain line and a half-break at the start of the match (from which he was turned over by Michael Hooper), the lad was anointed. 

Taylor may well turn out to be a fine player, but as yet he is nowhere near an international first-five. But the All Blacks are the Muhammad Ali of international rugby; a team where excellence and myth merge to the point where the stigmata become invisible. 

McCaw has been another good example during the opening games of the Rugby Championship. The master has been clearly outplayed by Hooper, Australia's outstanding player, but no-one will admit it.

Well, McCaw might, because you don't become one of the all-time greats without knowing when you are not match-sharp and a yard off the pace. 

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In Saturday's game, McCaw was frequently beaten to the breakdown, he was a yard off covering Taylor's inside shoulder and he knocked on a couple of balls he would normally haul in, blowing good attacking opportunities.

That's fair enough. Even McCaw can't come back from a sabbatical and play like Michael Jones. But Hansen would have you believe he has done just that. The man and the myth is an important part of the All Blacks psychology.

It is even more extreme in the case of Nonu. The guy who struggles in Super Rugby becomes a different player when he pulls on an All Blacks jersey, we are told. It's the Frank Bunce story, or is it George Bernard Shaw - Man and Superman? 

Horsefeathers. 

On Saturday, Nonu should have been sin-binned - at least - for a dangerous shoulder charge into the head of James Slipper. He turned over ball twice. He scrambled a poor kick out of defence with an overlap outside. He kicked another ball out on the full. And he threw the intercept pass for Folau's try.

These are exactly the sort of blunders that have cost the Blues and the Highlanders in recent seasons. But because the All Blacks were good enough to win despite Nonu's howlers, they are airbrushed out of history. 

The All Blacks don't admit the big mistakes in public unless the unthinkable happens and they lose. Then confession is called for. There were others in this New Zealand team who under-performed on Saturday. 

Israel Dagg kicked out on the full, missed a tackle, put his wing under pressure with a daft throw-in, but one good break and the country looks the other way. The hooker position is an ongoing problem, and Aaron Smith did not kick well from the base. But the myth must be perpetuated. 

It intimidates other teams, although Australia look quite capable of intimidating themselves at the moment. Some of their tackling is feeble and they are quite hopeless at fielding short, high kicks in midfield.

More importantly, the myth intimidates refs. This millennium, New Zealand have received 46 cards in 166 tests. South Africa have copped 77 in 164 games. Are the Boks really nearly twice as evil?

The Aussie coach was right to be apoplectic on Saturday evening. Why was Moore's 'try' not referred? Why was Kieran Read not yellow-carded for a professional foul? Why was Nonu not yellow-carded for a dangerous tackle? Why were the All Blacks' tacklers and defenders repeatedly allowed to take so long getting back that they blocked Will Genia's blindside channel? 

That was coached cheating again, by the way. Why was Ben Smith allowed to stand offside in front of the tryline to make a crucial defensive tackle? Why was Tony Woodcock allowed to angle in, but not Australia? 

The penalty count should have favoured Australia in the first 50 minutes, but New Zealand led it 12-5.

Sir Graham Henry would have suspected perfidy or a betting scandal in such circumstances. The rest of the world just thinks, 'Same old'. 

The magic and the myth.

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
28 Aug 2013, 06:32
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28 Aug 2013, 06:32#2

 This is the self portrait he posted on his own blog - he definitely just doesn't care what people think :) haha

 

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
28 Aug 2013, 06:46
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28 Aug 2013, 06:46#3
Finally a fair voice of 'Reason' - this guy call it EXACTLY as it is... "Coached Cheating" is real what it is - and although Aussies may have lost thanks to many of their own mistakes the fact yellow cards were NOT shown numerous occasions changed the outcomes immensely. Good work son - simply de-mystifying the myth surrounding the kiwi perceived dominance....................
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Aug 2013, 07:40
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28 Aug 2013, 07:40#4
oi=matey Thanks for the article - but there will be huge protests from out New Zealand site members, I think that he has some points - but on the whole the article could perhaps be slightly too critical. I think that Peyper had a bad performance on Saturday in any event.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Aug 2013, 07:41
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28 Aug 2013, 07:41#5

 I'm sure he could also do a number on the SA rugby press, sycophantic in the extreme. Every new player is the business. It would be much more entertaining if honesty and candor were the order of the day. This is certainly a fun read.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2013, 10:19
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28 Aug 2013, 10:19#6

 This guy is right about 1 thing, ABs are trying to re-establish their 'invincible' image. Hansen said as much prior to the second Bok game. Boks & AB teams of old knew the value of legand & the jersey! Oh yeah!!

Go mighty black machine!

 

LU
ludwigRookie26 posts
28 Aug 2013, 13:12
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28 Aug 2013, 13:12#7

 Reason, (Thats a laugh) is nothing more than a failed fleet st hack. A poor mans stephen jones basically. His views are well known and dismissed as the rant of another ungrateful pommie git. His old man was John Reason, which says it all really.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2013, 13:35
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28 Aug 2013, 13:35#8

IMO this guy is trying to increase readership by being extreme in his statements. He looks amazingly like this chap, lol

 and should be given about as much credibility.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
28 Aug 2013, 13:42
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28 Aug 2013, 13:42#9

Spooofy, can you please repost your matchday photos etc .

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
28 Aug 2013, 13:50
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28 Aug 2013, 13:50#10

 This halfwit doesnt seem to understand the meaning of "Myth" if its true it isnt a myth , or is that what he bleats at girls running away from him in bars "myth,myth ,pleath wait a minute ,I only wanna talk ! "

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
28 Aug 2013, 13:51
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28 Aug 2013, 13:51#11

Brillaint article by Reason. In case the abs and rooitwit are not getting it I have taken the trouble to selected certain paragraphs and highlight key words to assist them. C

 It was a poor performance over fatally flawed opposition, aided and abetted by a South African referee who has clearly not yet come to terms with the principle of equality.(Yes this same ref who handed the WC to nz on a plate - now kiwis spot the difference - I do not defend the indefensible re refs))

McCaw has been another good example during the opening games of the Rugby Championship. The master has been clearly outplayed by Hooper, Australia's outstanding player, but no-one will admit it. (

But Hansen would have you believe he has done just that. The man and the myth is an important part of the All Blacks psychology.

On Saturday, Nonu should have been sin-binned - at least - for a dangerous shoulder charge into the head of James Slipper. He turned over ball twice. He scrambled a poor kick out of defence with an overlap outside. He kicked another ball out on the full. And he threw the intercept pass for Folau's try.

The All Blacks don't admit the big mistakes in public unless the unthinkable happens and they lose. Then confession is called for. There were others in this New Zealand team who under-performed on Saturday

Israel Dagg kicked out on the full, missed a tackle, put his wing under pressure with a daft throw-in, but one good break and the country looks the other way. The hooker position is an ongoing problem, and Aaron Smith did not kick well from the base. But the myth must be perpetuated. 

More importantly, the myth intimidates refs. This millennium, New Zealand have received 46 cards in 166 tests. South Africa have copped 77 in 164 games. Are the Boks really nearly twice as evil? (Remember also Bob Dwyers astonishing stats and I would also like to see the penalty stats and their position on the filed summarised))

The Aussie coach was right to be apoplectic on Saturday evening. Why was Moore's 'try' not referred? Why was Kieran Read not yellow-carded for a professional foul? Why was Nonu not yellow-carded for a dangerous tackle? Why were the All Blacks' tacklers and defenders repeatedly allowed to take so long getting back that they blocked Will Genia's blindside channel? 

That was coached cheating again, by the way. Why was Ben Smith allowed to stand offside in front of the tryline to make a crucial defensive tackle? Why was Tony Woodcock allowed to angle in, but not Australia

 

The penalty count should have favoured Australia in the first 50 minutes, but New Zealand led it 12-5.

Sir Graham Henry would have suspected perfidy or a betting scandal in such circumstances. The rest of the world just thinks, 'Same old'. 

Indeed the same old same old as I have said many times. So you see large stain Beeno was not talking shit but simply conveying uncomfortable truth. Hence the growing outcry in Oz and SA with guys like Marshall and Reason now commenting as well. The abs blew whatever cover they had in the world cup.

However it goes further than just nz. The simple facts are these stats could not arise apart from Saffa refs favouring Nz and Oz refs favouring Nz. Now that is the daftest outcome imaginable. Wake up dopes.

I note the same old same old kiw denialist response by lootwig and Just Win (at any cost) Bwahahahahhahahahaha

Nobody hates you kiwis we just dont like your cheating. Hahahahahahhahahahahaha.

Give each kiwi a hug lest they feel persecuted. 

 

 

The magic and the myth.

 

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2013, 14:11
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28 Aug 2013, 14:11#12

Enjoy Scott Allen's (aussie coach) objective analysis of the game! No rhetoric!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW0UBJX6Duc#action=share

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
28 Aug 2013, 14:16
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28 Aug 2013, 14:16#13

and Mark, look at the scoreboard - ooops! Who outplayed who? I admire people who man up and accept a loss, take stock, change and win! I have no sympathy for idiots who keep harping on about outplaying this and outplaying that and yet 2-0 - bite on dem apples Mark idiot!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2013, 14:20
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28 Aug 2013, 14:20#14

 Beeno1: congratulations, lol Finally you got a half-wit  to write what you have been spouting for quite some time (ad nauseam some might say). One crazy man (in this case two if we count you) does not an argument make.

Check what that master of logic and our good friend Mozart says above along with the rest of the clear thinking rugby world, he along with other balanced minds have a different view from yours :)

Conspiracy theories are often the sign of a persecution complex so hopefully this insight will help you. I also suggest that you chant regularly :

"The All Blacks are the greatest rugby team on the planet".10 times a day should give you the clarity of mind you need. Get Redsman and a few others to join you

Anyway, as I said congratulations we all need to be "validated" once and a while, lol

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
28 Aug 2013, 15:06
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28 Aug 2013, 15:06#15

 How unpatriotic of Reason to speak the truth.

 

Agree justwin best cheaters on the planet. 

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
28 Aug 2013, 15:21
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28 Aug 2013, 15:21#16
No protest on my part, you guys actually took this seriously, it was a tongue in cheek piece, and spooony "best cheaters", 20 yrs of AB dominance and still reeling that out.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
28 Aug 2013, 15:22
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28 Aug 2013, 15:22#17

 Spooney: I see you have some problems with the words for the chorus. I recommend Mozart as the director of the choir, he will ensure the correct rendition & harmony :)

As I said on another thread, with a couple of wins (against credible teams) all such  talk will be dropped (I even have hope for beano1 if he follows my advice) lol

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