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I’m all for moving on now

Started by Saffolk 18 REPLIES3,551 VIEWS· 14 Jul 2024, 00:09
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Jul 2024, 00:09
#1
14 Jul 2024, 00:09#1
The fact that we have not won the Irish series gives no weight to continuing with the old guard - had it been 2-0 as it should have been then that would merit extending the old men’s run for a little longer Of the old boys Kolbe, Marx, Eben and PSDT are still playing really well so they deserve to stay for now Add the likes of Willemse, Arendse, Libbok, Sacha, Williams, Ox, RG and Wiese and we have our core Plus the likes of Steenkamp, Thomas, Dweba, Moerat and Roos who have had recent tastes It’s time to move on
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Jul 2024, 00:25
#2
14 Jul 2024, 00:25#2
Wilco, Cameron, Grobbelaar and Elrigh should be added….they bring energy and power + they hungry to make a name for themselves like the others you mentioned.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2024, 01:17
#3
14 Jul 2024, 01:17#3

My team ag ainst Portugal will be asz follows:

15 Fassi

14  Kolby

13  Willemse

12  De Allende

11   Arendse

10   Feinberg-Ngomezulu

9     Anyone bar De Klerk

8     Roos

7     Du Toit

6     Kolisi

5     Snyman

4     Etzebeth

3     Malherbe 

2     Marx

1     Nche

The bench can be full of youngsters.    Time to forget about players. like those Old guard under-performers

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PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Jul 2024, 05:40
#4
14 Jul 2024, 05:40#4

No, give Esterhuizen another token one off against Portugal in an unsettled side so everyone can write him off again if he doesn't set the stage alight. Then we can go back to Mr Best Passer in the Team and watch him play thi rd flanker while stopping anything constructive happening out back for the next 4 years again.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2024, 12:11
#5
14 Jul 2024, 12:11#5

Pakie

Erasmus and Brown know what Etserhuizen is capable of and he is really fast mivng to exit from the Springbok squad.    If Willemse was available he would not have been in he squad anyway.        

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Jul 2024, 12:49
#6
14 Jul 2024, 12:49#6

There is better around than AE and DdD....why would you bother!?

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Jul 2024, 13:18
#7
14 Jul 2024, 13:18#7
15. Fassi 14. Edwill van de merwe 13. Am if Willemse is not ready . 12. AE 11. Arendse 10. Sacha 9. Jaden Hendrikse 8. Roos 7. Pieter (C) 6.Elrigh Louw 5. Ruben van Heerden 4.Ruan vermaak 3. Wilco 2. Johan Grobbelaar 1. Thomas Tassels said the guys that lost to Ireland will have 10 day break, so then Pieter won’t play….then I will move Elrigh to 7 with Cameron on 6, if he is ready….Roos will be my captain then. Libbok is a Must on the bench. He can also start with Sacha at 12 and AE of the bench.
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
14 Jul 2024, 13:26
#8
14 Jul 2024, 13:26#8

Our loosies and backs need a complete makeover with the exception of Kolbe and Arendse.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Jul 2024, 13:35
#9
14 Jul 2024, 13:35#9

There is better around than AE and DdD....why would you bother!?

In theory. Proven test 12s, not one.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Jul 2024, 13:44
#10
14 Jul 2024, 13:44#10
I would have gone with Henco on 13 but he is injured…..Moodie is also a must in there…..if Willemse is ready let him go to 13 and Moodie 14 with Edwill to the left wing. If you want Moodie at 13, move Willemse to 15 and Fassi on the wing. The reason I put pieter and AE in there, is not only because they good, but that experience to guide. But Willemse, Libbok and Roos could do that to.
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Jul 2024, 13:56
#11
14 Jul 2024, 13:56#11
Apparently the team for Portugal has been internally announced and the oupa,s will help them prepare, before they go on break : ) Frans should go on a diet and Fitness training in his break time : ) will be interesting to see the team for OZ and AB….will Rassie go again with the Team that has been playing since Toeties coaching days ? Or will we eventually see a healthy mix between Experience and Young Guns? I hope for the latter.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jul 2024, 15:49
#12
14 Jul 2024, 15:49#12

Put in all the younger players. 

Have an experienced bench. 

This fixation with Arendse bothers me. He was highly ineffectual against Ireland. Useless in contesting the high ball. Ditto Kwagga.

Willemse will be a welcome return and I hope Moodie comes back soon. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jul 2024, 16:08
#13
14 Jul 2024, 16:08#13

As usual HasBeen swallows the bait:

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So who was the ineffectual ball carrier. The ineffective loosie at the breakdown? Dud Toit did one thing all game a try saving goal line tackle on Doris. He also lost at least one lineout.
Kolisi did nothing ….absolutely nada.
Kwagga was the only loosie functioning as a loosie. But the fools who eat the pablum blame him,
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Jul 2024, 16:28
#14
14 Jul 2024, 16:28#14
From the get go Kwagga ran and ran but was tackled back most of those times…like in the first game he also gave away penalties….you cant fault him for trying and yes many times he can be very impactful, but looking at the game again he was overshadowed by van the fleur and calaen doris….as a impact player of the bench yes, but at 6. Younger players coming thru like the Roos,Cameron, Elrigh, Marcel theunissen, Dixon , Tisathuka Brothers etc. is more powerful and skill full….but Kwagga is a very durable player, but not always so effective.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jul 2024, 16:35
#15
14 Jul 2024, 16:35#15

Point is, in spite being ‘ineffectual’ he generated 53 metres and beat 2 defenders….that was more than all the other starting Springbok forwards  combined. He isn’t an 8th man, but as an open sided he makes way more contributions than Kolisi. Dud Toit is a lock.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jul 2024, 18:17
#16
14 Jul 2024, 18:17#16

Ou Mozzietard  doesn't realize quite a few of those meters gained was when Kwagga was out in the open but was easily hauled in. Showed that the guy has slowed up. 

When you play a guy the size of a back as a forward he must have real pace.

Mozzietard wants the best seven in the game to play lock. Granted Du Toit could play lock but makes no sense right now to change him over to lock. I think Mozzie is still smarting about all his daft criticism of Du Toit backfiring on him

Mozzie lacks rugby acumen!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jul 2024, 18:28
#17
14 Jul 2024, 18:28#17

Dud Toit has cost us far more in terms of inept running and non performance at the breakdown, than he has provided in process tackling. As for Kwagga….his metres were gained in the type of running a loosie does. He was the only functioning loosie the Boks had playing yesterday, as the numbers clearly show.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2024, 22:05
#18
14 Jul 2024, 22:05#18

Mozart have you seen another test than we ordinary human beings have seen?

In ny evemt that incident where Kwagga did the impressive charge down - was also when he made a silly mistake,   iinstead of  dribblng the ball - he slowed down  sunificently to pick up the ball and that was why a try has no been scored from what was an excllent opprtunity to score.  Slowing down  allowing  5 Irish players to help in defense and one of those tackled him and combined hey overturn posssesion of the ball.   The only Springbok player at the breakdiwn - Du Toit on his own he could not prevent the turnover,.    .   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Jul 2024, 22:27
#19
14 Jul 2024, 22:27#19
Kwagga was crap, PSDT had another great game Absolutely no point in bringing Esterhuizen in, he is 30 - move on The side we should be looking to get to is: 15. Fassi 14. Kolbe 13. Moodie 12. Willemse 11. Arendse 10. Sacha 9. Williams 1. Ox 2. Marx 3. Wilco Louw 4. Jason Jenkins 5. RG Snyman 6. Hanekom 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Roos With the likes of Gelant, Green, Tambwe, Jurenzo Julius, David Kriel,Hendrikse, Masuku, Libbok, Nohamba, Hendrikse, Papier, Gerhard Steenkamp, Mchunu, Thomas du Toit, Sadie, Dweba, Grobelaar, AH Venter, Moerat , Ruan Vermaak, Ruben v Heerden, Buthelezi, BJ Dixon, Ruan Venter, Vincent Tsituka, JL du Preez, Wiese, Dan du Preez and Emmanuel Tsituka pushing
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