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Ian Serfontein - an objective assessment

Started by clevermike11 REPLIES355 VIEWS· 17 Feb 2014, 15:51
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Feb 2014, 15:51
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17 Feb 2014, 15:51#1

I am and has always been a great admirer of Jan Serfontein so I hope what I write here will be taken as objective and not as unjust criticism.


*   Serfontein as a junior showed that he is a serious and hardworking player - his strongest point was the indication that he is a thinking and instinctive player as well.


*   However,  there has been every indication that the positives in his game has been coached out of him.   I was aghast and upset - when in one of the Super 15 games last year - he continuously ran straight at defenders and was tackled hard in the process causing the Bulls  to be on the back foot.  He never was that kind of a center and is being destroyed by coaching.


*   There are some question marks about his defence - he missed tackles of forwards and heavier players too often for my liking,  He should look at his technique and try and strengthen that component of his game.


It is really relatively simple - let him -


*   play his natural game and not turn him  into what the Bulls regard as essential - a crashballing center - which definitely not is the way Serfontein will ever perform affectively  on top level;


*   work on his tackling technique - especially against the bigger and heavier players; and


*   work on his speed - he must be careful not to lose speed and actually try yo increase his capacity in the relevant regard.


I am afraid the Bulls is destroying this gifted youngster.  If he was playing for the Sharks or Cheetahs - he would be the top inside center in SA - or very near to it.   


     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2014, 16:07
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17 Feb 2014, 16:07#2

I suppose the Bools coached him to ignore the player with the ball and let Mvovo through the gap? Objectively what I see is a young guy who arrived with a lot of enthusiam but the big leagues have knocked that out of him.

 

I see a mid sized centre with average pace. He has discovered he can't beat S15 centres through the outside gap....he isn't strong enough to knock them over....so he is left with the inside step. But the other teams know this, so after "beating" one tackle he runs slap into traffic. If he tries this in the RC he will be turned many times.

 

I know he is young and could theoretically improve....but where are his weapons? As for his defence, it's not good.....both in execution and in terms of vision.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
17 Feb 2014, 18:25
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17 Feb 2014, 18:25#3
Are the Bulls now regretting Missie Kind go? Serfontein did have some great games during mid season of the SuperXV but has faded since. 
Or it could be a case of standing out at junior level and just being ok at senior level
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2014, 23:34
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17 Feb 2014, 23:34#4
DomMike you and objective are about as close as Boklogic and I......you would not know what the bloody word means you ignorant twit.......stop insulting us with your worthless shit.

The takes above on Serfontein is the biggest load of shit I have read in ages......this kid has more talent than Jean ever had......he showed that with that nice little break on Sat.

The great Mvovo line would not have been stopped by any player in the game and that is a FACT......its what makes a perfect running line a great attacking weapon.

Shit there are some so called learned posters on here who should know better for goodness sake.

The was only one occasion when Serfontein was owned and that was when Frans bounced him.......it happens, much like Lambie slapping Schalk, Etzebeth slapping Bismark and Flip slapping Steph du Toit.

Serfontein and JJ had limited opportunities on attack......but of all the 12's on display, Serfontein was the only one to beat defenders with skill and that is a FACT  
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
18 Feb 2014, 00:33
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18 Feb 2014, 00:33#5
 Easy Saf.
I also don't necessarily agree with mike, but honestly, i dont think we need to insult him or his opinions.

We're all here to debate. No need to demean or get personal bro..

In any event, Mike buddy i dont think there is anything wrong with his defensive capabilities and his speed.
I do agree though in that I think he is unfortunatly being moulded by the bulls.

Lets hope that his natural ability shines through when he plays for the boks and isnt confined to 12 man Bull rugby.
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KeaganzulusmithClub Pro175 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:01
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18 Feb 2014, 01:01#6
 Personally Jan just needs time to grow much like PSDT and paul will. There young and to be playing at the level they are now means that they are naturally gifted like you said mike. 
Personally his speed doesn't worry me not many 12 in the world have that lighting speed par sonny bill and frenchy boy but there another level,  his tackling on Saturday was ok he didn't let the big boys run over him and only missed on tackle that i saw (i wasn't really watching who was missing where just more enjoying the game) he did need help on some occasion though. 
Ok as a bulls surporter i know i'm a little biased, but i do believe that the game plan we use doesnt suit any centers. i would love to see the bulls move away from the crash ball center but it has worked in the passed so i dont see them stopping now :/ 
personally give the lad time we are to fast to jump on his back and point out the faults and praises, we are supporters jump to soon most centers dont come into there prime until 24-25 and then only have about 4-5 years on top, he is lucky to learn from JDV when in the springboks. 
He reminds me on conrad smith in a way and i wouldnt be surprised if he does become more adapted to 13 when playing with JDV 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:02
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18 Feb 2014, 01:02#7
 Mike is a lying prick
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:11
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18 Feb 2014, 01:11#8

 Saffex


I was positive and said "he is a thinking and instinctive player as well".   Only really talented players have that ability - so I never once questioned his talent.  Matter of fact I emphasized it.  


The next thing I said is that the Bulls are coaching his natural talent out of him  and trying to make him a crashballer - which he is not.  What is wrong with that?   It is even a positive insofar as Serfontein is concerned.  


I never mentioned the Mvovo issue at all - I know that Serfontein was not to be blamed for that.  What you apparently missed is the fact that Serfonten did miss three tackles on forwards in the game and that is not entirely a new one.  It also happened in some matches in Super 14 last year.   What I tried to convey is that he could improve in that aspect of his game and he would do so - of that I am sure.


What I write was NOT in any way critical of Serfontein - it mentioned one area of his game which could improve and it mentioned that the Bulls are killing his potential. 


And you either did not read my comments properly or just could not understand the contents - so go back and read it again - you are not being objecytive in going bananas about the issue.      

       


 



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:23
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18 Feb 2014, 01:23#9
So are you saying that Jake is coaching the creativity out of Frans.....for Frans used physicality to make an impression, whereas I saw Serfontein beating defenders with steps........the reality is, Frans operated in traffic as did Serfontein for most of the time.....but Serfontein was more creative........it was not earth shattering stuff, but he was more creative.
As for defence, he was only owned by Frans, but that was not as concerning as Jordaan's one on one miss of Greyling
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:45
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18 Feb 2014, 01:45#10

Saffex


What is wrong with you?   There is no comparison between the natural games of Serfontein and Steyn.  Serfontein never used to run straight at defenders like Steyn does  and the Bulls is trying to change it.   He is a much shrewder player and effective to aim at the gap between defenders.   Steyn is a physical player - not really an instinctive player.  Serfontein can and do make line breaks - something Steyn NEVER does.  If there is a choice between 2 players for no 12 - my choice would always be Serfontein - purely because he is a more talented and cleverer  player than Steyn.


Serfontein not only missed the tackle on Steyn - he missed two other tackles as well.   I can remember some Super 15 games last year where he missed as many as 4 attempted tackles.   What is wrong with me saying he needs to work a bit harder on that component of his game?  I know backline players will miss tackling the real heavies -but  if they work in it and use the right technique it would be less than it otherwise would be.   


         

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2014, 01:57
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18 Feb 2014, 01:57#11
DomMike there is stuff all wrong with me......I need to ask that question of you.....what part of Serfontein stepping defenders did you not understand? If he is stepping defenders then he is not crash balling is he?

If an inside centre is operating in traffic then what do you expect him to do? He needs to commit to contact, which is what Frans does so well and what Serfontein does when he needs to..........but when these guys have space they use skill to beat the defender as Serfontein did. 

Name the instances where Serfontein missed tackles and you seem to be conveniently  ignoring the pathetic miss of Jordaan on Greyling

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2014, 02:24
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18 Feb 2014, 02:24#12

Saffex


I am not ignoring anything about Jordaan's missed tackle on Greyling - what does the following mean:-


"I know backline players will miss tackling the real heavies -but if they work in it and use the right technique it would be less than it otherwise would be."


And even though you pretend otherwise - Serfointein did miss 3 tackles in total on Saturday and what I said about last year is factual as well.  You will shout and scream - but I am going to post Serfontein's  sats for three Super 15 matches to prove my point:


Last Saturday


Serfontein 0/0 0 1/2/5 30 0 2 0 0 10/3 0/0 0 0/0

 

I clearly saw the missed tackles and it did happen



Sharks Game - Super 15 2013 


Serfontein 0/0 0 0/3/2 14 0 0 0 2 12/5 0/0 0 0/0



2013 Highlanders Game


Serfontein 0/0 0 0/5/7 8 0 0 0 1 8/5 0/0 2 0/0


He did not have a good game that day = I can vouch for it - he was in my fantasy team and I wanted to vomit.    

 

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