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Idiots are forever - AO is master class

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 13:42
#1
09 Nov 2019, 13:42#1

I watch what this idiot is writing at present and must say the more he writes the more it ii evident that he does not know what he writes about.    



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 13:42
#2
09 Nov 2019, 13:42#2

Duplication 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Nov 2019, 13:54
#3
09 Nov 2019, 13:54#3

Don't know what has happened to Organhuffer. Some of his calls are really weird. 

I think Dr Moz, Pakster and  AO egged each other on reinforcing each other's incorrect calls. 

How I warned them but all to no avail. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:06
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09 Nov 2019, 15:06#4

Whenever Lügnerin scribbles these mu d slinging threads we know he is quite perturbed. Taking a beating this morning has left a lasting impression! 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:12
#5
09 Nov 2019, 15:12#5

Who but you took a beating.  LOL

A beating can never be based on total BS - there need some facts before one can use it as a basis to win any argument and you have neither facts nor examples to support your wild ramblings.  LOL .   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:14
#6
09 Nov 2019, 15:14#6

Do whatever you need to cope with it all Lügnerin. I feel quite content, no need for side swipes from my end. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:17
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09 Nov 2019, 15:17#7

Thick-skinned and stupid as well.   I lo ve to have this idiot around.   Always good for a laugh.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:29
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09 Nov 2019, 15:29#8

If only you could muster the laugh. Smiling through gritted teeth! 

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sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:30
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09 Nov 2019, 15:30#9
The worst call ever made on this board was saying Rassie is not a good coach. 
The billionaire owner of Stade Francais is probably wishing he could swop Meyer for Rassie - even if he had to pay 10 times as much as what he originally paid for Meyer...
At the end of the day, results are the most reliable measurement criteria:
  1. World Champs 2019 
  2. Currently ranked number 1 in IRB World Rankings
  3. Most convincing win in a World Cup Final by any team ever. 
  4. Only Bok team to get a try in a World Cup final (x2)
  5. Coach of the year
  6. Team of the year
  7. Player of the year
  8. 1st Bok coach to win the 4 Nations (Around 10 years since last 3 nations victory)
  9. Won more tests than any Test team in 2019. (only one loss)
  10. Best Scrum in world cup history
  11. Best lineout in world cup history
  12. Inherited arguably the worst Bok team in history and turned them into champs in 18 months. (Coetzee's Boks lost to Italy, and record losses to All Blacks and Ireland)
  13. Addressed quota's/transformation better than any other Bok coach
  14. etc, etc,
No Springbok team has ever won so many accolades in one year ever! 

Rassie would walk into the highest-paid coaching jobs anywhere in the world, bar New Zealand. Some rich billionaire that invested in rugby would buy 2 Rassies if he could. Results count, that is what people want. 


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 15:46
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09 Nov 2019, 15:46#10

He is as stated, average. Leaning heavily on his defence coach who formed the basis for the Bok blueprint.

Regarding bad calls...

  1. Damian will be the goat of goats. 
  2. JJ is the best 13 since readmission.
  3. Lambie is the best flyhalf.
  4. Beast needs to retire, he is too old (last year and this SXV).
  5. Thor is too old and needs to retire.
  6. Willemse is the best young prospect at 10.
  7. Lood is a world class lock.
  8. Steph is the best player in the world.
That's a small sample. 
Lügnerin's claims of Rassie being a comprehensive coach are baseless. His coaching of the backs has resulted in the lowest output in years, even if we consider the glut of tries against the minnows. Lower than Coetzee's 2017 and lower than all of the Meyer years. It grates the J-Raz groupies that they can't hit back, hence these threads. Can't refute it, so attack the person. I can just imagine old Lügnerin giving himself Chinese burns in a fit of frustration. To his credit, he did try, ever so briefly. Buried beneath flames, it simply wasn't meant to be. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 16:20
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09 Nov 2019, 16:20#11

-Take your stupid pills - maybe you will become less stupid than you are at present,  pts get thiss traight

1   De Allende has on many websites been selected as the best 12 in the WC series,   Idiots think otherwise,

2   Who wrote that.

3   Lambie is not the best flyhalf after he had to retire - he was always a ten times better flyhalf than your dear Morne.

4   Beast has retired - nobody ask for his retirement recently

5   Again a total lie.   I was pissed off because he skipped the RC last year - that was all there was to it.   After he was selected there was no complaints from anyone. about him being in the  squad.

6   Nothing wrong with that although I am sure that you think Morne was a flyhalf - so you do not know what is required from a flyhalf?.

7   All experts agree with that - idiots do not even know what a  lock is (they think it has something to do with cupboards and doors) and what is required from a lock.

8   Was selected by experts - people who played top rugby for years.   But Idiot Speakers claim they know better.   Who to believe - the experts or the idiots.  I prefer the first  group - the idiots live in fools paradise.

LOL              

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Nov 2019, 16:23
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09 Nov 2019, 16:23#12

Rassie took the Boks back to traditional Springbok rugby.......the opposite of what you were calling for Muck.

He then didn't pick Swiel, Goosen Schickerling, Papier, Labuschagne, the Deysel twins who you were punting.


But he did pick Willie, Frans, Am, Pollard, the Beast, Kolisi and Vermeulen who you were trashing.


So, so far you were wrong on strategy and selections. Why are you calling other people names, Mike .....your's is pretty much Muck.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 16:37
#13
09 Nov 2019, 16:37#13

No Mozart

Look at what is actually being played under Erasmus?   Remember the fact that some call dead backline rugby which was according to you and other site members :Traditional Springbok rugby   What I always favour was to get away from the idea that rugby ends at ten and if by accident it goes outside of that the next player must crashball.   That is what you called Traditional SA rugby for years, 

Look really at what is produced - Erasmus converted the game into a fifteen man comprehensive game   - not the rubbish we struggled under for years to get away from,   Take a simple example:-

*    In 2015 there were 35 tries scored by the Springboks - 16 by forwards and 19 by backline players

*    In 2019 there were 50 tries scored by the Springboks - 13 by forwards and 37 by backline players.

That shows what comprehensive rugby means  - get the message?  The game does not end at 10 !!!!!!!!   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Nov 2019, 16:48
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09 Nov 2019, 16:48#14
Your vision was Goosen running through green fields trailing clouds of glory......the reality was no backline movements were ever started except in the opponents half, pretty much when the opposition had been subdued and usually on turnover ball. Springbok rugby.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 16:51
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09 Nov 2019, 16:51#15

So a glut of tries against the lowly Namibia et al is now the mark of a wonderful attacking side. No. Rassie is everything you profess to hate, by your own definition he is the worst coach in world rugby. I'll settle for average. 

"Take a simple example:-

*    In 2015 there were 35 tries scored by the Springboks - 16 by forwards and 19 by backline players
*    In 2019 there were 50 tries scored by the Springboks - 13 by forwards and 37 by backline players."


You just can't help yourself. This is now the TWENTY-FOURTH time I have addressed this. Attack stats across the board were not as high in those years. Defence was stronger and the Boks faced stronger opposition. It wasn't until 2016 that trends increased in attack numbers. Coetzee's second year saw us fall in line with those trends, under Rassie we have fallen away from those trends. In all attacking stats aside from tries we were bottom of the RC. That means we had fewer carries, fewer metres, fewer breaks and defenders beaten etc. We were not a successful or efficient ball-in-hand side. That is not the way Rassie teams play. This is Stormers rugby, another highly scripted team that relies on defence and physicality. Meyer's Boks were far more productive under Meyer. Willie, who you said was destroyed under Meyer in 2015 logged more than the double the attacking output. Not that I need to compare coaches, I can and have evaluated Rassie in isolation, because I can. I'm not interested in comparing him to anyone other than his opposition. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Nov 2019, 17:41
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09 Nov 2019, 17:41#16

“ 5   Again a total lie.   I was pissed off because he skipped the RC last year - that was all there was to it.   After he was selected there was no complaints from anyone. about him being in the  squad.”

Really?

Check Ou Maaikie’s pearls of wisdom on this thread.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 18:00
#17
09 Nov 2019, 18:00#17

Mozart

My view always  was that there are 15 men on the field and 15 should be used to best advantage.   Yours were that the Springboks must use 10 man rugby with the 5 outside players being there for defense only.   The fact that you adjusted the myth  of "Traditional SA Rugby" now to a new format is really laughable.   

Remember De Villiers implied that Gainsford told him that balls are there to carry - not to kick the leather off the ball - like you advocated for years.           

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Nov 2019, 18:04
#18
09 Nov 2019, 18:04#18

I know Pom Mike haz his pet hates and all, but other than Fransie, and maybe Mostert, I didn't see him knocking the Boks since the start of the RWC...I saw him defending his "likes" and responding to bait threads, but he has been pretty supportive of basically all the Boks of late. Some others have told us how mediocre the Bokke actually are. As luck would have it, I'm too stupid to know any better, so I actually believe we are the best team in the world ATM....not the best skilled or rounded, the best. The Champs...the team that did what had to be done when it needed doing...being world champions is special...this is a special team, much better than they get credit for.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 18:09
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09 Nov 2019, 18:09#19

Ag Foetog -  the dim AO still does not understand the objective of rugby - namely to score as many points as possible and to prevent opposing teams from scoring.   You can carry the ball for most of the match - but if and when it ends up without points being scored - it is about as worthless as piss is in a toilet bowl.   All the drivel that you can come up with is totally worthless without adding two cardinal stats to it, namely -

*   the number of points scored - especially through the scoring of tries; and*   the number of games won and lost.
So repeat all your drivel endlessly - it is total hogwash without the last two issues mentioned by me being the deciding factor.
LMAO - How idiotic can the moron become.  LMAO      
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 18:15
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09 Nov 2019, 18:15#20
There you go again Mike. Who has been defending aimless and excessive kicking? You! As previously stated, Rassie is everything you profess to hate. Everything. Now you continue to peddle this narrative that Rassie is a master tactician etc. He isn't. Heck, lets strip his defence guru's efforts away, what is left? Not even a corpse of a gameplan. No sign of this greatness since he first entered coaching. That's the bottom line. The more I press you for details, which occurs in response to your big mouth flapping uncontrollably, the more vindictive you become. Rather desperate today. Spare yourself more heartache and go feed some pigeons, the fresh air will do you good. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 18:24
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09 Nov 2019, 18:24#21

"Ag Foetog -  the dim AO still does not understand the objective of rugby - namely to score as many points as possible and to prevent opposing teams from scoring."

And you are still dodging the issue. You raise the issue of gameplan and style, and whenever I rip your little tower of lies apart, you immediately retreat to "duh, yoo kanz lewk at dah skaw bawd".

  1. Did Rassie achieve a higher production than Coetzee? No. 
  2. Did Rassie achieve a higher production than Meyer's 2015 Boks? No. 
  3. Did Rassie achieve more production through the backs? No.
  4. Did Rassie kick more? Yes.
  5. Did Rassie kick more aimlessly? Yes.
Do you see now? Can we finally move on from this? You are becoming even more of a bore. Were it not for you we'd not even be discussing this. Were it not for you, we'd have all simply congratulated the team. However, it has been well established that you are no Bok fan, you are a Rassie fangirl. It's not enough to congratulate the team, we must bow before the altar of Rassie. Well, it's not going to happen. Stop drawing these ridiculous comparisons. Rassie is not the coach you believe him to be, he is never going to be that coach. Ende.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 19:24
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09 Nov 2019, 19:24#22

Get real dimness the key is did Erasmus got better results in games win and points scored than Coetzee and Meyer got?  Simple answer no and anybody claiming otherwise is talking utter BS - every rugby supporter will tell you the same if you persist with BS like that.

As a normal and logical rugby supporter I am extremely happy that Meyer fails at Stade Francais as a coach and not continue failing as SA coach and that Coetzee got a one-way ticket to Japan.   With those two coaching the Springboks would have lost in the quarterfinals or earlier.  Bluntly put - nice people and failed coaches.

Nobody wants anybody to bow before anybody else.  The issue is that one just should get away from prejudice and try and see what is really happening in the rugby would around us.   There is no way that Erasmus is a poor coach as you imply and without becoming nasty - my advice to you is grow up .               

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 19:28
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09 Nov 2019, 19:28#23

With an easier run of opponents, that is rather unlikely. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 19:37
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09 Nov 2019, 19:37#24

The fact is the Next three years of rugby entails -

*  NH teams visiting SH teams in June'

*  the Rugby Championship;  and 

* Outward tours by SH teams to NH countries.

You will have ample opportunity to keep moaning about Erasmus - my believe is SA will remain top ranking in the next two years at least.   Even if that happen - I believe you will still go on with the same idiocy.      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 20:13
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09 Nov 2019, 20:13#25

You are telling me that they will remain #1 for the entirety of the next two years, if not the entire cycle? That's a tall order, but given how disrupted New Zealand and Australia are, Rassie has no excuse but to sweep them both. We must see an increase in production. To be sure, you will not be diverting any blame onto the figurehead coach? Quite a cowardly act it must be said.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Nov 2019, 20:27
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09 Nov 2019, 20:27#26

It's painful to see a once respected poster talking BS about Rassie and certain Bok players. 

Sharkbok summed matters up perfectly. 

When you in such monumental denial you have seriously lost the plot. 




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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Nov 2019, 20:35
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09 Nov 2019, 20:35#27

Sitszack, where has Rassie advanced the Bok game? Show me where this has been true. No minnows, every Bok side has rolled over minnows. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Nov 2019, 20:54
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09 Nov 2019, 20:54#28

Blaas my siel - the Springboks won the WC and he moans.   "Every Bok side has rolled over the minnows".   Not always true - see the Japanese test in 2015.   However, this year aside from the WC beat Australia, Argentina and Japan thoroughly and drew one game lost one  against the AB's.   In the process they also beat Wales and England - both at times during  the number 1 ranked team in the world.   

So what have we got year -

*   two of the three teams the occupied the number 1 ranking in the World; and  -

*   and they beat Japan convincingly who in turn beat Ireland and Scotland,

so your minnows story is totally baseless.

            

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