CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 02:10#3
Saffex
That would be some very credible teams and in the main I agree with you. However, I still have serious reservations about Jantjies and like Fouche a lot at flyhalf. I would rather have either Fouche or Pollard in the Stormers team.
As for Steyn and Hougaard - only if they get themselves back into form - what they delivered this year was just not good enough - but I know you differ from me in that case.
Not sure about Swanepoel though - why was he left out in the game against the All Blacks Under 20 team? Like Janse Van Rensburg a lot though.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 02:10#4
Saffex
That would be some very credible teams and in the main I agree with you. However, I still have serious reservations about Jantjies and like Fouche a lot at flyhalf. I would rather have either Fouche or Pollard in the Stormers team.
As for Steyn and Hougaard - only if they get themselves back into form - what they delivered this year was just not good enough - but I know you differ from me in that case.
Not sure about Swanepoel though - why was he left out in the game against the All Blacks Under 20 team? Like Janse Van Rensburg a lot though.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 02:14#5
Sharkbok
I must side with Saffex here - it is more a dream of his and mine and we know it is just not feasible - but is a nice theoretical exercise nevertheless.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 02:35#11
Mozart
Typically Mozart - he just can't forget the past and want to live in it. By the way O'Driscoll was really the poorest center last week in the Lions - Wallaby Test - and that is a fact. I can also remember the second and third tests against the All Blacks last year when he had atrocious games.
I think O'Driscoll is running on empty - with only his reputation keeping him in teams. Nowadays still play well
on Club level - in the main equal to the CC level in SA - but he is no longer really of international standard.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 02:53#14
Mozart
What a joke - you wrote about O'Driscoll and merely pointed out that O Driscoll stayed on well past his sell-by date. What has Jordaan got to do with that? He-he and add De Jongh to the he-he list as well. Also through in Fat Steenkamp and you have a pair.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 04:03#17
Mozart
You are destroying your own argument very well. O'Driscoll is definitely not troubling NZ or Australia at all anymore - and nobody here was talking of the Springboks - only of Super 15 franchises,
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 10:40#20
Mozart
So no more O'Drsicoll - now we are onto O'Connell - who next?
28 Jun 2013, 11:49#21
There is one way and one way only to do national team selections. Get a core of established players, experienced or otherwise, and build the team around them. You bring in young players and see if they can cut it at national level. If they can, keep them on, if not, forget them and move on. If one of the core players is injured, same thing, give a young up and coming player a chance, when the injured core player returns from injury, they fight it out for the team spot.
It also does not help to have a team of youngsters only, you need a balance between experienced guys and youth. If you have not got enough experience, the team will implode, I guarantee it. Too many experienced players and you land up with a vacuum like we had last year after the mass exodus. It is down to getting the right balance, as is just about everything in life.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2013, 13:29#22
Bluebok
In essence I agree with your viewpoint - but I have a problem as well and that is experienced players should not be regarded as immune and I based on reputation. If their performances do not remain on an expected level there are serious question marks as to whether they should be kept on in the team.. As long as they perform on the required level - keep them in the team. If they don't they must go.