....Springbok scrum-half Ruan Pienaar led Ulster past Munster in their PRO12 clash at Ravenhill as he kicked 19 points in their 29-19 victory.
One has to wonder whether logical arguments is the forte of some members. In this case Pienaar is suddenly good enough because he kicked 19 points at goal for Ulster. In another post on Morne Steyn the following silly comments are made:-
"As for Morne's form, he apparently is up against an aspirant French 10. The Frog will always be preferred. Jean and Victor also had supposed failures up north and came back to do great test duty. It maak niks!"
The above after he praised Morne crediting him with beating France on his own by his goalkicks. Now lets analyse the above a bit:-
* The logic is that the only requirement for a player is kicking at goal - nothing else matters. His defence and decision making can be putrid - that means nothing. It reminds me of the desperately poor defence of Morne Steyn in the Ellis Park test - when the same member wrote an unbelievable praise song about how good Morne was and then went quiet when the defensive flops were pointed out to him.
* The second issue is that never mind the poor performance of Morne Steyn for Stade Francais - irt is irrelevant. In justification he then said - without checking his facts - that De Villiers had failed at Munster and came back and performed excellently for the Springboks. If he did check it up - he would have found that De Villiers actually played top class rugby for Munster and scored 8 tries in his 23 matches - besides being instrumental in many more tries being scored by Munster. De Villi ers was in fact anything but a failure.
* Then the comments about the Super 15 - giving the impression that the Super 15 should never be used as a guideline and at the same time saying that in the case of Ruan Pienaar NH Club rugby is a guide - in the case of Morne Steyn it is not.
All that I can conclude from the above is that prejudice against some players and in favour of others are boundless and leads to the most irrational statements imaginable.
Mozart
The point I am making is that you are irrational and making a fool of yourself in the process. Please think before you post irrationalities on this site.
Sasue
You can add Charles Piutau and Willie le Roux to that list of yours.
Remember you are dealing here with a person who are clueless about form evaluation. His guideline is experience only - form is irrelevant. If an experienced player buggers up or show nothing he writes praise songs about massive performances like -
* in the case of Morne Steyn after the Ellis Park test; and
* in the case of Bakkies Botha after the Scotland test.
When statistics are quoted to indicate otherwise - he suddenly takes the attitude that stats are meaningless. He is intellectually dishonest because he would use stats when it fits his argument - but ignore them when it does not.
His whole approach is based on prejudice so all you can expect is illogical arguments.
Mozart
Not answering - am I cutting to near the bone in this case, Why judge only the new players what about the existing ones?
Why the silence on Morne who missed more tackles than anyone else, Kruger, Jannie, Kirchner, and the loosies - who really should have helped the players in following up, but did squat and who did not really meet requirements. Vermeulen did a few good things that could mean an average performance - Louw the same - but Alberts, who was clumsy and fell over when he was supposed to tackle Aaron Smith - was definitely below par.
Do not expect an answer though.
So OOM, one day after the match you are asking me why I am silent on Morne....as opposed to your claim today that half an hour after the match I was singing Morne's praises. I have rarely seen anybody in all my years of posting exposed more completely.
I get accused from time to time of being nasty to you, but old chap, you really need to stop lying on here. It's unattractive.
This was so tense for 60 minutes and then the ABs went on a knockout spurt. Barrett and Reid were huge, so was Smith. The ABs clearly had a plan to target the kickoffs and the mauls, and boy did they execute well. No excuses.
For the Boks our loosies did well, two great breaks by Louw and Vermeulen for tries. Etzebeth was great value and our scrum was our strongest point until the subs came on, courtesy of the Beast. In the backs Habana Willie and Jean were huge....Jean's try was almost super human. Du Preez had a messier base but still did well. I'll comment on the negatives some other time.
Loved Morne knocking over Retallik.....Bond gets rid of Jaws! Congrats again All Blacks and best to all our AB posters.
Mozart
OK my memory was not precise as thought it was - I asked about Morne Steyn and would love to know what your response was. know you wrote a praise song on Steyn after the match - so I think it may have been after my response as to the above.
Saffex could also help - I now we could both not believe your comments on the Steyn performances at the time, The Bkkies performance in the Scottish test was equally bizarre.
Mozart
OK my memory was not precise as thought it was - I asked about Morne Steyn and would love to know what your response was. know you wrote a praise song on Steyn after the match - so I think it may have been after my response as to the above.
Saffex could also help - I now we could both not believe your comments on the Steyn performances at the time, The Bkkies performance in the Scottish test was equally bizarre.
