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If Romania can do it, why not SA?

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
07 Dec 2016, 21:40
#1
07 Dec 2016, 21:40#1
Romania on the rise after tactical shift

Date published: December 7 2016


For a Tier 2 nation like Romania, Rugby World Cups are hugely important and the only chance to shine on the world stage.


All efforts were focused on the Rugby World Cup in 2015, where the Oaks performed reasonably well. Romania only won the match against Canada, after pulling off the biggest comeback in the entire history of the competition. However, the team held its own in the match against Italy, losing by a margin of only 10 points, and managed to avoid being routed against both France and Ireland.


It was obvious that 2016 would be a year of testing and reconstruction. European teams qualify for the World Cup based on the results in the Rugby Europe Championship (REC), a poor man’s version of the Six Nations, which is played in complete obscurity on the same weekends. This year’s results did not count for qualification, so it was the perfect time to rebuild the squad for 2019.


Romania’s head coach Lynn Howells announced that all matches this season would be used to test players and attempt to develop the traditional forward-based style of the Oaks into a more modern and faster game plan. Romanian backs, usually nothing more than defensive blocks in a team that played old-school eight-man rugby, would finally get the chance to prove their skills.


Several veterans retired from the team at the end of the year, among them tight head Paulica Ion, legendary flanker Ovidiu Tonita, number eight Daniel Carpo and centre Csaba Gal.


To replace them and build depth for the future, Howells has tested an unprecedented number of players in 2016. He used more than 50 different players this year. The squads were heavily rotated, with only five players featuring as starters or from the bench in all of the 10 games prior to facing Uruguay.


The source for most of these players was Romania’s domestic league, the Superliga. Few people outside the country seem to be aware that Romania actually has a fully professional internal competition.

While small in size (with only seven clubs) and plagued by all sorts of problems, the Superliga is the main reason behind the improvement of Romanian rugby in recent years. It provides a sizeable selection pool for the national team, with a number of domestic professional players that most other Tier 2 nations can only dream about. In addition, there are many foreign players in the league (including a former All Black) and some of them are eligible to play for the Oaks through the residency rule, offering some interesting options, in particular for the backline.




Despite the constant experiments and the full-strength squad not being available for any of the matches, the results have been surprisingly good, finishing the year with 10 wins from 11 matches. There was only one defeat in Tbilisi, where Romania travelled with a depleted, experimental squad. The Oaks did well in the REC (including a 30-0 trashing of Russia), easily won the World Rugby Nations Cup in June and defeated the United States and Canada in November.


These are excellent and surprising results for a side under reconstruction. But even more surprising were the tactics used this year. The Oaks have attempted to play fast attacking rugby, with good results. While the backline play became more structured after every match, the opposition were weak, making it hard to judge the actual progress made. Many Romanian fans were curious if Lynn Howells will risk a wide game against the North Americans in November, or revert to the old tested forward tactics.

Both the USA and Canada travelled to Bucharest prepared for a forwards’ struggle. They expected Romania to pressure them using scrums and mauls, with little danger from the backs. They were wrong.


While their forwards were largely able to match the Romanian ones, it was their backs who were outplayed. This allowed Romania not only to win both matches but to do it playing at times a fast and spectacular brand of rugby that not even the most loyal fans of the Oaks believed they were capable of. The North Americans were surprised to meet a team playing fast modern XV-man rugby and proved unable to contain the Oaks in the first half. Romania wasn’t able to maintain the same tempo for the entire 80 minutes, but the gap was already too big to allow the opposition to recover.


Even more remarkable is the fact that most people expected the improvement in the backs to come from the newly-eligible foreign players. While the imports were surely very useful, it was actually some of the local players who did very well, like the quick and resilient young winger Ionut Dumitru or scrum-half Florin Surugiu (famous for proposing to his girlfriend on the pitch at Wembley during the Rugby World Cup).

Romania do not have any true stars, but, there are several players who have been extremely important for the team in the last few years.


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One thing is certain: the new attacking style of the Oaks has made Romanian fans more optimistic than ever. Lynn Howells might have achieved what seemed impossible, to change the old forward-powered tactics and introduce an exciting brand of rugby that could allow the team to attract new fans, both at home and abroad.

The Oaks have a legendary past, but perhaps the time has come to leave it behind and accelerate into the future.


by Dragos Baldescu

AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
07 Dec 2016, 21:44
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07 Dec 2016, 21:44#2
 appart from changing the coaching staff, SA should adapt its rugby or soon the boks will be beaten by teams like Romania
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Dec 2016, 22:07
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07 Dec 2016, 22:07#3
Minnows are getting stronger...Georgia 38 Romania 8

 https://youtu.be/9zNtRtGJkRs
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
07 Dec 2016, 22:57
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07 Dec 2016, 22:57#4
 If these oaks can do it why cant you saffa Oaks ? First get a better coach ! sounds like even an unknown like Howels can outcoach Coetzee!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2016, 00:36
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08 Dec 2016, 00:36#5
Hahaha funny stuff. The inmates, and not very well intended inmates, are running the asylum.
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
08 Dec 2016, 14:26
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08 Dec 2016, 14:26#6
 Because they cant. It is as simple as that.

Romania is a burgeoning rugby nation. The professional era means differently to them. They are structuring their rugby upwards. They are more like a latecomer.

SA, though, is not that. SA is a nation that failed to negotiate the introduction of professionalism and therefore is lagging behind  others but also from what they should have done in the meantime.

For Romania, decisions are to be taken as for anyone who join an activity later than others.

SA started though on the same line as NZ and has fallen behind because of a lack of decisions that should have been taken.

The only chance for SA to jump on that wagon would be to attract non SA people, already fit for the play, coaches and players alike, to play under SA colours.

Of course, this solution is not available as it would expose 15 rugby for what it is: a foreign activity that does not belong in SA.

The best option here is one foreign coach, some foreign (probably non white) players added to SA white players. It wont be enough. But it is the closest solution affordable.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Dec 2016, 16:49
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08 Dec 2016, 16:49#7
Have you bothered to watch the clip...if Romania is going places then Georgia is going further...the high lights only...in a a language that no one understands here...it's Georgian ...these guys are trained by Milton Haig...a NZ'er.

They need a bit of polish but physically...they pack one of the toughest forward groups in the world...if they had a good backline...imo they would be up there...Milton does not believe in 10 man rugby and is working hard on their backline...he's a NZ'er.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2016, 18:06
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08 Dec 2016, 18:06#8
Oh he's a NZ'er .....gosh that changes everything.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Dec 2016, 18:36
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08 Dec 2016, 18:36#9
Of course it changes everything...they are achievers in whatever they do...they put the rest of us to shame...incidentally they  seldom boast...they do what is right and the results look after themselves...being in USA perhaps you won't get the subtle difference when you you believe money and then freedom and then power mades you happy, is necessary for true success in life, my friend Moz...don't fight me or even your best pal Rooiaas...just think about it.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2016, 18:47
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08 Dec 2016, 18:47#10
Have you ever been to the US Chabal? I by the way have been to NZ.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Dec 2016, 19:13
#11
08 Dec 2016, 19:13#11
Yes I've been to USA...I've told you but not Chicago and the north...quite a long  time ago in the late 70's and mid 80's and no never NZ but I've met a fair share of NZ'ers in europe and my country to assess them...what's that to do with the price of eggs?

I know you have never been to Russia, only Finland...quite different. But I've travelled to many parts of Europe and EB countries and England, Wales,Scotland and Eire...and BA and Bariloche in Argentina... does that make an accolade...what it does is give a clearer vision...but it's not absolute...I have family in NZ and my step son in Auckland who is an executive in Farmers Market and a son in Adelaide in South Australia...believe me I want to travel...if my pension fund and investment accounts allows me in 2 years time...we might even come to USA...my wife wants to see it...I don't.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2016, 19:23
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08 Dec 2016, 19:23#12
 Point is Chabal I dont criticize Russia, You seem to think the US is a parking lot. In my own suburb, I have seen a school of more than 20 salmon in a gravel stream. Deer are all over the place and coyotes! Every year we make sometimes substantial contributions to nature. There are 800 acres of totally natural lands in the suburb alone. Here's a brief description with the name redacted. You are completely uninformed: ............. 'Since 1967, Open Lands has acquired, preserved, restored, and maintained over 800 acres of highly diverse native landscapes for the benefit of the local community. Six nature preserves* encompass woodlands, wetlands, and several rare and globally significant prairies, ravines, and savannas. These preserves reach from the shores of ...north to the bluffs of ...., south to the ......Nature Preserve, and west to the savannas in .....and include over 12 miles of walking trails, which are open to the public year-round. Open Lands strives to engage and expand our community's commitment to the preservation and conservation of our historic and highly unique nature landscapes, and is dedicated to a mission that ensures that all generations have a meaningful, lasting connection to nature and our open spaces.'
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Dec 2016, 19:38
#13
08 Dec 2016, 19:38#13
Anyway...it's not important but all I can say there is huge knowledge in TRAVEL...all newspapers talk crap...people are TOTALLY different everywhere from their crooked reports. But it teaches more than anything...

If We come to USA ...Chicago we will crash on you like impoverished first year university students and sponge on you for a month or two and expect dom perignon for our champagne breakfasts...lol
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Dec 2016, 19:52
#14
08 Dec 2016, 19:52#14
 There are many nice hotels I can recommend and drinking Dom Perignon for breakfast is uncivilized. ??
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
08 Dec 2016, 20:03
#15
08 Dec 2016, 20:03#15
Sh.ite youre a stingy bastard....just remember you can't take it...your tin with you...I was thinking of contacting Mike and travelling to Riversdale, pick Ol'Maaik up and come to Chicago so that you can with both your esteemed knowledge t o discuss Fransie, Matfield and Alberts saga. But later I thought about it and reckoned it was not a great idea...you have already experienced, in Chicago, a St Valentines Massacre...we do not want another one...
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