If we had to be brutal

Robertson has included Cane & Perenara in his 36 squad for EOYT although the pair will be retiring from internationals next year.

Dave 

Erasmus will not drop top performers as long as they remain regarded as being  the best in the world in the positions they play in.    In other words reputation is not going to keep players in the Springbok squad  -  actual performacnces would determine who stays in  and who goes out, 

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I’m ditching Libbok

Mozart

I am not a Libbok supporter - but Dave will have a seizure about your comments,   Shaca is already the  first choice flyhalf - and according to reports there is a youngster by the name of Chamberlain that plays rugby on the same style  as Shaca - while Wolhuter from the Lions is also worth watching  for further development.

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"I’m ditching Libbok"

You already did...looong ago.

PS...who played 10 when we beat NZ 7-35 at Twickers ?

ccording to stats Erasmus used circa 70 players in his squads and about 60 new players played in international matches since July 2024 -  a wide /range of  esperimentation already in evidence,       

‘He’s such a good flyhall’……who caves under pressure, can’t tackle, and can't kick the crucial kicks.  Sacha is the exact opposite, a competitor who enjoys the contest….who is more likely to make the crucial kick than the unimportant.

A few weeks ago everybody pretty much accepted that. But Sacha’s injury absence and a decent game at home against the Bargies, suddenly resurrected Libbok. Now we  no longer want to play the kid who set the world alight at flyhal….,but the Dud who would have cost us the WC if Rasmus didn’t drop him for Pollard.

Sacha is reduced to maybe at 15, maybe at 12. Crazy. Sacha is the best young flyhalf talent we have ever seen in RSA. Libbok is the new Jantjies…a player who flops but somehow lingers on.

A flyhalf doesn't have to be the dedicated kicker, the great Larkham didn't kick for poles. There's a lot to be admired about Manie, he has unbelievable hand speed and accuracy, a good reader of the game a good kick pass and forms a good combination with Fassi. And he uses the short pass to great effect. I'm sticking for the time being.

A simple solution to the abundance of our rugby talent is to form two Bok teams. lol

Geez Dave your inconsistency is breathtaking. You rumble on for years about Mostert being too weak….but nobody gets through him. Then you tell us there is nothing wrong with Libbok’s tackling, but match after match he misses a third of his tackles.

If you want to look at physical requirements. Look at Manie. 5’ 11.5” and 168lbs. Exactly my weight when I played in high school. He is a very slight chap. Imagine him trying to stop Wiese coming off the scrum.

 In today’s rugby 10 is in the crosshairs. You justify Dud Allende at 12 because you claim rugby has changed. The guy that’s targeted most is the flyhalf. Look at Ford in the 2019 WC final. A total target. 

Add to that his non aggressive temperament. I give Faf a better shot at defending 10 channel.

Get real and above all stop blowing up your own logic.

"Ja, we know, the WP boys will be up in arms. Which would be understandable if the non-WP board members habitually picked on Stompie players, but we don't."

Nee man Plum...we get the concerns WRT Manie...and most of the WP boys ar e with you on most issues except DdA, but some agree with you there as well...this isn't a provincial thing...

"M, I don't put you in the WP above logic crowd."

Huh?...your pet hate for DdA is clowding your own logic.

Saffex don't support any province in SA, Maaik was a Sharks supporter when I joined this board in 2010...Beeno is a WP man and so am I, but there are some other than WP people on this site who aren't 100% opposed to DdA playing 12 for the Bokke...

Moz, Bob and Pakie are WP all boys who'd prefer AE...you're barking up the wrong tree...

Clowding(sic) or crowding or clowning ….Libbok can’t tackle. He is puny and should have hit the gym. I’m sick of these guys that are too lazy to do the work. Powder puff...hell du Pont would run straight through him. A bunch of process passes doesn’t offset the fact that he is a weed, that is terrified when he needs to make a kick to win the game.

Hasn’t hit the gym….I hate that.  One of these days the opposing team is going to run back one of those flat cross kicks that are basically 50/50 balls and that will end the debate.

"You two DDA lovers...

Haha"

Nope, just not haters...or vehement opposers...you forget we both rate AE highly...as for Manie, I always had my doubts...even when he's playing for the Stormers...and I don't think he'll ever get his head 100% straight, but when he's on song, damn, he can do magical things...but too inconsistent to be a serious Bok 10.

Totally agree with you DbDraad.  

We are blessed with some young talented players that should be selected to gain international experience now not at RWC 2027.

It's happening Arthur...we already saw some exiting youngsters putting up their hands and we have the November tests ahead...I'm sure we'll see some more coming through...traditionally we blooded the new Bokkies during the Nnovember tests...we've seen new players given opportunities in all positions except for center ...would like to see Rassie surprise us...

France, I suppose the stats are wrong only for Libbok..,.5 tackles made/5 missed….2 balls turned over. A total train wreck:

Of course the stats are rubbish….they blow up your whole argument. So the stats have to be wrong.