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If You're good enoug, you're young enough!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:19
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14 Jun 2013, 17:19#1

Please note snapster as you tend to get this wrong

Jean de Villiers wants to be judged by form, not age, now and in the build-up to the 2015 World Cup, writes JON CARDINELLI in Nelspruit

De Villiers has been one of the shining lights for the Stormers in an otherwise bleak Super Rugby season. He turned 32 this year, but has continued to show the individual brilliance that made him such a star for Jake White's Tri-Nations-winning Springboks in 2004.

Has he lost his vision or hand speed? The veteran centre scored a great try against the Bulls in the opening game of the season, a try that not many younger players could have completed. De Villiers picked up the ball from the base of the ruck and placed it over the tryline. The movement was lightning quick and the Bulls' defence had no chance of stopping it.

When he has faced the press during the Super Rugby season, De Villiers has stated defiantly that 'age is just a number'. There have been further examples that De Villiers's defining and long celebrated attributes have not faded. He scored a fantastic individual try against the Blues in Auckland, and showed his pace to beat the Reds cover defence in a match played at Newlands. Most recently, he scored against Italy, his 21st try in 85 Tests.

So does De Villiers deserves his place in the Bok starting side at this point? The answer is an emphatic 'yes'. Should he be entrenched in that midfield in the lead-up to the 2015 World Cup? There is no definitive answer to that one.

SARugbymag.co.za put the question to the Bok captain on Friday. He's played some brilliant rugby already this season, and does that influence his decision to keep going, to target the 2015 showpiece as his swansong?

It is not an easy question to answer if you consider the mistake made by his predecessor.

John Smit will go down in history as the most accomplished Bok captain and one of South Africa's finest ambassadors, but the fact remains that Smit was past his best in the build-up to the 2011 World Cup, and should never have been backed in a starting position (Why was he?).

So with all this in mind, it was pleasing to hear De Villiers state that he won't fall into the trap of making promises that he, or the Bok selectors, could struggle to keep.

'Selection should come down to performance. If you're playing well enough, then you're young enough. I may be 32, but I don't feel that old,' De Villiers said.

'I think to talk about me playing in 2015 is premature. At the moment I feel that I'm playing well, and my body is feeling good. I've played the full 80 minutes in 14 games already this season.'

De Villiers's current contract with the Stormers will expire at the end of 2014. If his body is still standing up to the gruelling examination of international rugby, he may opt to extend that contract and also continue with the Boks.

If his form is in clear decline, however, he could choose to end his rugby career in Europe, where he has already featured for Irish club Munster (in 2009-10).

It's an issue that Heyneke Meyer will need to address at some point. If Meyer feels that De Villiers no longer commands a starting place and that he won't make it to the 2015 World Cup, then a new captain must be groomed in the lead-up to that tournament.

At the moment, Adriaan Strauss is the favourite to succeed De Villiers in that position of ultimate responsibility. Meyer said as much ahead of the Test against Italy. De Villiers was initially in doubt for that fixture, and if he hadn't passed a late fitness Test, Strauss would have assumed the captaincy.

It's a decision that Meyer will have to make eventually, but for the 2013 season at least, De Villiers will remain in charge.

And on current form, he deserves his starting place as well as the captaincy.

'I will have to consider my future at the end of next year, but I have to say that I'm really enjoying my rugby at the moment,' he said. 'I'm really enjoying being part of this team.

'You know, you're only here [at this level] for a short while, so you really have to make the most of it

Jean has been a great Bok and one wishes him all the best and the wisdom to retire at the right moment. Struass could be the right man to take over the captaincy but what if Bissie is playing out of his socks - enter pierre spies!!!

 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:32
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14 Jun 2013, 17:32#2

Its certainly true of Jean that he should play until we have a  better option, or he decides to quit. But it's also true of all the young talent that seems to get so many fans excited. Having potential gets you a good look, it doesn't mean you are anointed. You have to prove you have the capacity to play tests.....and then that you are playing to that capacity. Many fan favorites fail on both counts. The proof is in the pudding.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:34
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14 Jun 2013, 17:34#3

"De Villiers has been one of the shining lights for the Stormers in an otherwise bleak Super Rugby season......................."

 

Shows you how crap the rest of the Stormers team has to be..... LOL

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:38
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14 Jun 2013, 17:38#4

Oh brother ... another wonderful, insightful contribution.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:44
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14 Jun 2013, 17:44#5

Oh please windpomp how in the world would you be able to assess a highly intelligent centre like Jean.   

Jean, eschewing the skop and charge game. deft touches and passes, angles runs, off loads, delayed passes, jinks, intercepts, postioning, creating space etc etc. That is jean De Villiers one of our greatest. 

A centre for the conoisseur  but unappreciated by oaks like ou snapster and windpmp it appears.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 Jun 2013, 17:57
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14 Jun 2013, 17:57#6

Soooooo ... this is the windpomp you refer to.

 

Well personally I think he shouldn't be allowed to pomp anything ... lest he bring another fool into our already overcrowded society ... sharkbok comes to mind here..

 

 

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jun 2013, 19:24
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14 Jun 2013, 19:24#7

Oh brother another insightful reply from the one with his finger up his behind.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Jun 2013, 20:48
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14 Jun 2013, 20:48#8
Serfontein is a far better option than Jean at 12 and JJ is the man for 13. I'd be moving on from Jean if I was the Bok coach
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Jun 2013, 21:07
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14 Jun 2013, 21:07#9

Serfontein is a far better option than Jean at 12 and JJ is the man for 13. I'd be moving on from Jean if I was the Bok coach

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
14 Jun 2013, 21:09
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14 Jun 2013, 21:09#10

Maybe Saffex, but this year - at least in the RCS - its JDV's spot to lose. Lets give Serf n Turf some time to acclimate - which should be done during these Spring tests. Look at what a difference a year has made to JJ ! 

 

Very disappointed and frankly surprised that Serfontein didn't get a start this Saturday as JDV could do with some rotation/rest or would like to have seen the JDV -12, Serf - 13, JJ wing combo which I know you hate and understand your reasons.

 

It would be surprising if JDV makes it through the season - played every single game last year and so far this year - so we may see Serfontein at inside center sooner rather than later as a matter of necessity.

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jun 2013, 00:14
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15 Jun 2013, 00:14#11
Saffex has only three norms for selection of players - size, weight and age. Defence, ball sense and experience means nothing to him. As long is the player is big enough - he would find he most ingenious excuses for failure by that player. Six months ago his selections for the backline was as follows:- 15 Lambie 14 Pietersen 13 Taute 12 Steyn 11 Habana 10 Goosen 9 Hougaard Now with all of Goosen, Taute, Hougaard and Steyn injured and Pietersen on his way to Japan - his whole refrain has changed - you know the one. "We must have Goosen at flyhalf - Lambie at full back and Taute at 13 - since all three MUST at all costs be in the team." Now all Saffex's talk is about Le Roux at full back and Serfontein ad Engelbrecht at centers. Goosen and Hougaard remain firm favourites despite poor performances by the latter. No talk of Steyn and Taute anymore. Seriously I think the worst thing that could happen to the backline is to bring Hougaard and Steyn back into contention. I wish Goosen was available - with him instead of Morne or Lambie at flyhalf - the backline combination would really be tops from an attacking perspective. Come now Saffex - enlighten us about your new refrain - make us stupid people see what we will have to endure over the next six months. Now after nearly a full season of Super 15 - his selections have undergone a weird change. Taute - before his injury playing at full back - failed before his injury and Steyn was definitely on the whole sub-standard - with two reasonable matches before his injury. What is the scenario now and how has it changed - in other words what is the next refrain that he will try and hammer home and everyone disagreeing is stupid and knows nothing about rugby
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
15 Jun 2013, 09:09
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15 Jun 2013, 09:09#12

Safffex probably get a erection everytime he mentions Serfontein. Serfontein this Serfontein that Serfontein Serfontein Serfontein.

 

Do you know what De Villiers job is? His other job is to organize the defense like he do with the Stormers.  I don't see Serfontein doing a better job or doing any job of it.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jun 2013, 13:15
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15 Jun 2013, 13:15#13

Spoony leave erections out of it you stupid convict.

 

Oi - Serfontein does not need time to acclimatise, he was born to play test rugby. He is our best 12 and should start. JJ is by far our best 13 and is an automatic choice. There is no way in hell he should ever be wasted on the wing.

 

Jean has been solid, but we need to move on. Serfontein is the future and is far better. We also need to move on from Basson, Morne, Pienaar, J.Kruger, Alberts, Louw and Spies if we hope to challenge the AB's.......for the simple reason that these players are not the best in their respective positions

 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Jun 2013, 13:43
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15 Jun 2013, 13:43#14

The way ahead is totally obvious. Start Jean and paly Jan off the bench. Rotate Jean (Jan should have started against Scotland) with Serfontein. Give Jan some game time.

Personally I do not like under 20 players playing test rugby but Jan could be an exception but use wisely.

CC, windpomp is a fine poster if you have a few hours to unravel his circualr arguments. But he loves his rugby and is an ass(et) to any board!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jun 2013, 13:50
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15 Jun 2013, 13:50#15

Beenkop you are a typically conservative SA'n much like our average coach - its the pathetic conservatism that dishes out 67% win records.

 

Those players I mentioned above have to go - retain them and we will lose to Oz and the AB's this year

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Jun 2013, 15:11
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15 Jun 2013, 15:11#16

Rotate Jean (Jan should have started against Scotland) with Serfontein. Give Jan some game time.

Agreed Beeno this makes sense...especially in the minor tests. JDV is still good and solid and a good leader. He is time is coming to and end but not right now. Also agreed with Saffex...Serfontein is huge talent and should be phased in. He has a huge future.

Spoony I would be nice to Saffex if I were you because one day you might need him...he might even act pro deo for you to keep you out of Pollsmoor prison...lol.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
15 Jun 2013, 15:26
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15 Jun 2013, 15:26#17

@Saffex If you talked anymore shit, you'd be shaped like a turd. Imagine we select players on the principle of being born to play rugby. We would end up selecting the whole Flou Bulle team cause Fools supporters are the only ones thinking their players are gods gift to rugby.  

 

Throwing youngsters in the deep end is exactly the reason why Goosen is out injured and Serfontein already picking up injuries  

  @Chebal Na I will go to Goodwood prison I am over 24. I will be nice if someone is nice to me. Period

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
15 Jun 2013, 16:35
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15 Jun 2013, 16:35#18

In case Saffex does not know what is the meaning of Spoony.

Origin of SPOONY

English slang spoon simpleton First Known Use: circa 1812
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Jun 2013, 19:02
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15 Jun 2013, 19:02#19

Mallet has just said on TV that Jean recently clocked the fastest 60 meter sprint time if his career. Mallet thought his weight had come down to 98 kg from 107 or so. Apparently the competition with Jan is upping performance!

If you are good enough you are young enough - go Jean. Bring in Jan in a professioanl way. Take no heed of snapster.

Love ou Mallet -Super rugby is equal to NH test rugby. Hahhahahahahahaha. Becs wont like that one!

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