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Increasing Trend of Geriatrics returning to play SuperXV

Started by sharkbok15 REPLIES657 VIEWS· 17 Jul 2019, 19:44
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,250 posts
17 Jul 2019, 19:44
#1
17 Jul 2019, 19:44#1

Just a few weeks ago we learnt that Morne Steyn will be returning, and he will be 36 next year. This was after the 38-year-old team spirit hooker signed for the Bulls and Boks, in some type of mascot capacity...


Now Juandre Kruger will be returning to the Bulls as well.


The overseas teams now have the cream of the crop, and no longer want our older players. To add salt to the wound the geriatrics are all returning because no one else wants them...

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2019, 20:02
#2
17 Jul 2019, 20:02#2
It evidences the sad state of our game - all the washed up has beens are returning as it’s the only place where supply and demand don’t quite stack up. Vermeulen Brits Josh Strauss Morne Steyn Juandre Kruger Corne Fourie W Herbst Ruan Pienaar JP Pietersen JJ Engelbrecht Jano Vermaak SA rugby looking a little desperate I’d say
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2019, 20:10
#3
17 Jul 2019, 20:10#3

Mozart and AO will be very happy to see Morne and some of the other rugbt geriatrics playing for the bulls again.

What about Frans Steyn - last I heard Montpellier is not renewing his contract and he was looking for an SA franchise to play for? .    

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2019, 21:29
#4
17 Jul 2019, 21:29#4

I feel neutrality concerning Morné. I haven't seen him play since 2016. Brits was one of the better South Africans in this year's Super rugby. As per Juandre? I never did regard him even in his youth. If a youngster cannot beat an old man out for a position, what does that tell you about the next gen? Right now, only Andre can compete with Frans at 12, and Brits has only been bettered by Marx. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2019, 23:26
#5
17 Jul 2019, 23:26#5
Aug stop speaking out your arse. Frans Steyn has been average for the past 3 seasons you clearly have not seen him play in ages. I can’t recall when last I saw him at 12, Montpellier has been playing him at 15 because Jan Serfontein is their premier 12. You speak so much horse shit. Serfontein, de Allende, Esterhuizen, Vorster, Janse v Rensburg, Odendaal, Frans Venter and Louw are all better options at 12 than old man Frans. Great in his day but long long past it
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2019, 04:33
#6
18 Jul 2019, 04:33#6
The truth is Serfontein was always bog ordinary, Allende is a rugby moron, Vorster is completely untalented, Janse hasn't fulfilled his promise, Odendaal is bog ordinary and Frans Venter is a nothing burger. In truth I'm surprised our talent flow is non existent. But it is, and so Frans even well past his best still towers over these midgets.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jul 2019, 07:02
#7
18 Jul 2019, 07:02#7

I think it's a good thing for these players to come back and share their xp with the younger players. Surly Herschel Jantjies benefited from having Vermaak in the mix. Lots of things Brits could teach the younger front-rowers...wasn't there a sudden surge in the Bools front row after struggling for years?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2019, 08:43
#8
18 Jul 2019, 08:43#8

Mozart

The player his coach called no center at all - confirmed by his present club  who played him at full back and the worst record at center and flyhalf for three years running in Super Rugby "towers over midgets".

Maybe - but will his stomach not get in the way of him seeing them?  Totally deranged contribution by you AGAIN,    

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jul 2019, 08:54
#9
18 Jul 2019, 08:54#9

Frans Steyn has never "towered" over anyone.

He had a short spell of outstanding play back in 2007 ... and then faded away, never to realize his potential.

It's a decade later and he is by far more of a washout now than he's ever been.

Mozart ... you are well known for your love of the old and the useless. Frans Steyn is just another name on  very long list.

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2019, 14:10
#10
18 Jul 2019, 14:10#10
Moz you are speaking utter crap. Frans was good in his day but has never been better than Serfontein or de Allende and that’s a fact. Right now he is one of many of clueless Rassie’s poor calls.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jul 2019, 14:51
#11
18 Jul 2019, 14:51#11

Frans's best position for the Boks was 15. Go check his stats at 15 vs 12 vs 10...think he played a few games at wing too. I put up a complete summery graph on this site a few years ago...took me a some time to get all the data sorted and tabled to proof my gut feeling, so I'm not doing it again just to prove a point.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,250 posts
18 Jul 2019, 16:35
#12
18 Jul 2019, 16:35#12

His best position was 15. He done well with extra space. 

However given the length of time he has been in the game including knee surgery, he probably no longer has the pace to play at 15 at the international level. 

Some of his best contributions were long-distance dropkicks, and also kicking for a position on the field.




CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2019, 17:09
#13
18 Jul 2019, 17:09#13

SB

Hos kicking game was always defective and the successful long drop kicks vanished years ago.  Take for instance his out-of-hand kicking - he said a huge record of ball possession losses in the 2014 WC was responsible mainly for making aimless and poorly directed kicks.  

Steyn was never a speed merchant and his huge weight problem cauised hi to be even slower at present than he used to be in 2007,       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2019, 18:57
#14
18 Jul 2019, 18:57#14
Frans was unfulfilled potential, he left far too early and was messed around playing various positions. For me his best spot was without doubt 12. He was not quick enough for 15 and his hand to foot was too slow for 10. But to bring him back into the fold at this late stage is just plain bloody stupid. For those who have actually been watching him play over the past few seasons will know that he is only a shadow of his youthful talent. There is a reason we see him at 15 for Montpellier these days it’s because Serfontein is their first choice 12 for good reason. Rassie has no bloody clue just look at his loose trio combo for this weekend it’s insulting. We have old man Elstadt a 7 playing 6, we have a class lock in PSDT playing 7 and a neverbeen old man in Louw at 8 who is meant to be a 6. Not to mention the utterly useless Orie on the bench - how insulting Rassie is clueless
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2019, 19:29
#15
18 Jul 2019, 19:29#15

I would have preferred another loosie combination -definitely not Louw anywhere near the squad.  I was also a bit surprised by Elstadt playing at 6 - he is a seven    Shpuld have been a Springbok years ago ahead of a player like Alberts.

    

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,250 posts
18 Jul 2019, 19:35
#16
18 Jul 2019, 19:35#16
I am not sure when Frans Steyn had knee surgery - but it was after that he slowed down - and also got bigger. 
He lost much of his kicking game, and no longer score drop goals from within his own half - or even long-distance penalties.
He changed his game to more to be a power player - and played more at inside centre. He no longer has the pace or step, but he pulls in lots of tacklers. 

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