"The problem is basically with the EU and the way it is run. Even the French Prime Minister said the bureaucrats in Brussels are causing havoc for the general public and the issue must be cleared up. That is the main reason why the UK voters voted against Remaining in the EU" Wrong. That is part of the reason.
"The second issue relates to the immigration issue. The present scenario enhance immigration dumping and resultant lowering of wages - with the ordinary workers being 10% worse off than they were in 2004."Wrong again. That is not quite accurate. I will come back to this. The lower wages is a very small part of the issue.
"Mike migration is the issue not immigration. I have not found one Pom (in or out) who is not happy for immigration to happen on the basis of skill or labor shortages. "Correct. That is closer to the truth.
The bureaucracy of the EU is a problem but it is, IMO, more about the way in which the bunch in the EU parliament are protecting themselves and want to keep their little empire going in their own way than the fact that it is run. The idea of the EU was sound to begin with but when, back in the day, they became an EU Parliament was when they fell of the cliff. They then became a super govt with the rest of the European governments dancing to their tune. They eventually became so engulfed with their power that they no longer regarded the unique needs and claims of individual countries.
Think of Cameron what you want but he is passionate about his country and about what is best for the British people and he has been fighting for Britain in the EU since he became PM. That is why he was back at the EU and where some would think that he would try and wash his hands and say that he tried, he attacked them straight out and told them in no uncertain terms that they only have themselves to blame. That the British people were gatvol for being discarded. He told them that, back in February, when they rubbished his claims that the Brits were not going to settle for their feeble attempt at making concessions.
On the issue of migration. The situation is that anybody from the EU have the right to arrive at the UK border, throw down his/her passport and has to be let in. Anybody else has to be vetted and some, Like South Africans, needs (since March 2009) prior approved entry visas. They are not allowed to vet any citizen from any EU state. That would not have been a problem, had the EU tuck to the initial member states but they haven't and they have added to the member states almost on a yearly base and those states were all countries that were "less wealthy" than the original states. The result was that the EU virtually started to support these countries financially. That was also OK but suddenly the citizens from those countries flocked to the UK because they could earn "fortunes" in the UK.
I cannot for one moment think that that was the initial intentions of the EU. It was most probably to find ways to assist those countries to get to a point where their own citizens could earn the same kinds of salaries in their own countries.
The fact that they did start to move ti the UK in numbers are not the main issue and, like BokBF said, the British people have never been against immigrants per se. I know. I am an immigrant myself and I can, in all honesty, say that no Brit has ever mistreated me or abused me for not being British.
Their most important issues about migration are the following:
- They have no control over EU migrants and cannot accept only those that are needed - EU rules.
- They cannot withhold benefits from migrants. The migrants are entitled to benefits without discrimination. Although their has been a minor concession on this issue, it is still nowhere near what it should be.
- Resulting from the above there is also the stress that is put on the NHS because thereof. The tragic part is that it is even possible for people, who has never been in the UK, to have medical treatment outside of the UK on the account of the NHS. There was an article about a woman in Hungary who had someone in the UK help her to obtain a letter stating that this person was her landlord in the UK and that that was her permanent address. She was then registered with the NHS. She gets her treatment in Hungary, shows her NHS card and the NHS has to pay up. That would have gone on for ages had somebody not accidentally found out about it and blew the whistle on it.
- They cannot deport EU members who have been involved in crime and have been found guilty. EU ruling.
- They cannot deport a terrorist whose home country has asked for his/her extradition. The EU rules say that if their is any reason to believe that he would not get a fair trial in his own country they cannot extradite him. There was the case of the doos from Jordan, IIRC, who was to be extradited. It tokk them ten years and millions of pounds and numerous EU court cases to get him out. All the while he was spewing hatred against Britain and the Brits on a daily bases and there was nothing that they could do. EU rules.
- The UK has no right to even offer any special privileges to their own Commonwealth countries. Countries like Aus, NZ, Canada, SA, et al who have been part and parcel of the Commonwealth for ages has to fall in line behind all of the EU countries, including those from Eastern Europe who have joined the EU recently and even Turkey when they will be joining soon. EU rules.
All in all it is way more complex than what ComradMike thinks it is.
