Interesting debate..Saffex, Spoony and Beeno

I just came across an old post of mine that Spoony has brought back to the top. I noticed comments from Beeno, Spoony and Saffex where Beeno and Spoony seem to think Jan Serfontein needs time and Saffex thinks he is ready to become a starter now. This all happened before the Samoan game and Beeno was concerned they might try take him out so its best to keep him away from the game.

This is an interesting debate to see what guys think and who else they think may be ready or need time.

I dont think we need to worry about Jan Serfontein. Yes, we do not want to blood players before they are ready but some players just have it, some dont and never will and some need more time to get it. "it" refers to x factor.

Serfontein is one of those that just have it. Just like Frans Steyn. They dont need to be hidden away from some Samoan brute or wrapped in cotton wool. They are more likely to beat that brute Samoan with a calm head and skills even at their young age and make him look like the unskilled thug he is. Some guys like Goosen, Steph Du Toit and co will get there but need that extra year to learn how to apply their skills and when to. What I mean is Steph Du Toit and Goosen are clearly talented in their positions but they need to learn better how to manage their games. Steph Du Toit needs to learn when to use his brute reserving energy. He can not go at a million miles an hour all game. He wont be as effective. Goosen needs to learn when to attack the line hard and better assess what the defence is doing. He instinctively just wants to have a crack at every opportunity. Serfontein, Steyn, Lambie and guys like that just need to be on the big stage immediately. Lambie was taking high balls better than any fullback in his rookie year of Super rugby and he knew when to have a crack through the hands, or when to put it in the air or a little chip kick. He had a calm head on his shoulders. Just like Steyn when he bust onto the scene and I think Jan can be the best of the lot. I wouldn't hide him away for too long. He can be one of those "Brian o' Driscoll" type players for the Boks. A good 12 to 15 years of international rugby written all over him!

@Boklogic

Some fans / armchair experts like all of us are lucky and the talent they punt sometimes achieve greatness.  Funny though, I have seen many of these young ones who show great potential and then they get involved with a women and the game goes for a ball of chalk.

Tell me, this great young prospect that was Frans Steyn, what has he achieved since getting married?  He got fat and slow fom eating too much nookie, nê.

Jan, Etzebeth, JJ, Lambie, Coenie, Reinach are just a few of the good ones who may become great players.  Many fans punt young Piet van Zyl, yet I rate Reinach a better scrummie, infact I think that by next season young Reinach may just be our best scrummie..

BUT, some of us are  more clever..

King, Taute is the answer at 13, agreed de Jongh offers stuff all. Jean will do at 12 until Frans returns, although Whitehead might be the better option against England

Ok Sappster....you have already predicted a Bok loss if Meyer picks Jean, Habana and Morne. That's one.

So now all of a sudden you believe your case has been made because of a very politically correct squad of 42 players. So here's another bet.....I say none of Taute, Strauss, Jantjies and  Greyling,will make our Bok 22 against England. Care to stick your neck out again?

Taute will make the 22, Strauss and Jantjies might. Greyling wont.

So what on earth have Coenie, Strauss, Taute, Greyling and Flip got to do with political correctness huh?

No he wont make the 22. The question is whether you will have another explosion about the coach when that happens. Will he go from on the right path to being a fool? And shampies Dave, political correctness doesn't have to be racial....this relates to keeping everybody in the boat, hence all the captains.

By the way, many of us are getting rather tired of your insults. They have no more shock value, they are just tedious. Your whole act on this Board is tedious. This is supposed to be an enjoyable part of our lives.....you should stop acting up for the benefit of your audience at SS, and post in a collegial way. But if your only purpose is to destroy things....be a good chappie and piss off.

No Mike I asked you for your definition of ball sense and using the 3 players as examples. The fact that you tried to define it some time back means stuff all. It was a load of shit then as it will be now.

I just need the added pleasure of seeing you squirm trying to use examples. While I like you, I do know you are not bright enough to come up with the goods - hence my challenge.

I for a fact know that Hougaard and JJ have more than enough ball sense. I'm just intrigued as to why you dont think they do - well I know the answer - its because you dont have a clue what you are talking about.

So either get stuck in and take up my challenge or just forget it

Just as I predicted you are too stupid to come up with the goods. You are sooooooooooooo predictable. Never fear Ou Mike we never really expected you to enlighten us on the art of ball sense. My guess is that if we left it at defining 'ball' you would have coped with that at a stretch

Oumaaik, a link if you haven't got it .... a blessing in NZ, 24 hr sports radio .

 Mike do you honestly expect me to remember the complete bullshit you wrote regarding ball sense. Do you think your gargabe makes that much of an impression on me that I would remember it.

What are the chances of me having got past the first few lines before falling asleep with boredom?

Just be a sport and tell us why you think JJ and Hougaard have no ball sense and that Reinach does. I'd also love a definition of ball sense from you without having to google it.

Entertain me, for you are a man of rugby authority!!!!!!

 Mike, you've said that JJ doesn't have ball sense. You've also said that JJ's only downfall is his defence where he often rushes out, I fail to see where the two connect. Ball sense in my mind is a generalisation for space awareness, knowing where supporting players are and decision making. A good example of this would be Genia's contribution to Folau's first try in the first test against the Lions. JJ does have ball sense and if you've been watching the tests you would've noticed this on a few occasions, namely his try against the Samoans where I recall he launched him self sideways into a gap between two defenders to sprint in for a try, this could be counted as very minor but the subtle things can often add up and define if a player has... Wait for it... Ball sense! 

Mind I do agree with you in the sense of Reinach, he's the best scrummy we've got at the moment and I would say he would pip it above an in-form Hougaard.