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Is Australia Cricket in as bad a shape as their Rugby

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jan 2019, 10:48
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06 Jan 2019, 10:48#1

During December 2018 the rugby news from Australia was dominated by the Cheika saga and a lot was written about his replacement.   The less rugby-educated members on site forecasted that Cheika would be fired and should be replaced by for instance  Jake White.  The latter even tried to set up a tele-communication to advance his own agenda to be appoint as Aussie head coach.   The Aussie rugby authority denied that one - since at the time there was no vacancy in any event, 


The Ausies knew that it was too near to the WC - with only about 5 tests to be played before that event and then did what is normal under such circumstances - retain the coach, but reduce his powers and put in charge a Director of Rugby with increased powers,  Whether that would work out is another question - which will only be answered in 2019.


I have my doubts though - there are serious problems with Union Rugby s a sport and while the national team declines in results the situation will not be reversed.   


Now what about the Australian Cricket situation.   I am afraid not much better either,  After the Aussies beat the English in the Ashes series - they went belly-up  losing the ODI series by 4 - 1,   So what happened subsequently?


*    In February they beat NZ in the Trans Tasman T20 series 5 - 0

*    In March-April Australlia had to play SA in what became known as the sandpaper scandal.   The question immediately arises whether the same technique was not used in the Ashes series.   Be it as it may the scandal has had    world-wide implications and the captain and his assistants got long bans - Smith and Warner for one year and Handscom for 9 months.   They lost the test series 3 - 1

*   In June the Aussies played a 5 ODI series in England - in which they lost all 5 matches.

*   Australia, Pakistand and Zimbabwe played in a three nations T20 series, in which the Aussies won 3 games  - one agauiinst Pakistan and two against Zimbabwe.   They lost two game against Pakistan - the last one being the final in the series.

*   In October they played two tests against the Pakistani's away and one opf those was drawn and the other one drawn.   A subsequent T20 series followed.  In a subsequent 4 match T20 series Pakistan beat them  3 - 1

*   In November 2018 they played SA in four ODI internationals and won only 1 of those

*   In late November the played 4 T20 games against Indoa and won only 1 of those

*   In December they played three tests and the result was a 2 - 1 Victory for India,   


The following is  summary of what happened to Australia in tests and ODI's in 2018:-


Tests

                               Played        Won      Lost      Drawn

England                     1                 1           0             0

South Africa              4                 1          3             0

Pakistan                     2                 0          1             1

India                           3                  1          2            0

                                  10                 3           6            1

                                 ========================

ODI’s

                               Played        Won      Lost      Drawn

England                      5               1             4

England                       5               0             5

South Africa                4               1             3

                                     14              2            12

Pathetic to say the least and marred by one of the worst scandals in cricket ever.

So if their rugby in a mess 0 is their cricket not in a similar disaster zone?                                

 

 

       

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
07 Jan 2019, 11:25
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07 Jan 2019, 11:25#2
The ball tampering scandal and the ensuing fallout have obviously impacted on the Aussie cricket. But with their resources and their resulting ability to find and nurture talent, you can be sure that Aussie cricket will be back on or near the top soon enough. 
Rugby on the other hand has another dynamic. Rugby union is being weakened by players leaving for Rugby League and Aussie Rules. In other words, those that are dissatisfied with rugby union will just move elsewhere, whereas cricket will remain popular because the players playing the game can't just leave and  play in some sort of alternative like hockey or baseball, they're just not in the same league. They have just been hit by a bit of a slump in talent, and the ball tampering saga, but they'll be back soon on top soon enough.    
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jan 2019, 11:40
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07 Jan 2019, 11:40#3

Bluebok 

You may be right about Aussie cricket -  the youngsters coming through is not good enough though,   One has to look at their latest Under 19 team and did not see much.

However. Australia plays a major role in many sport codes and there may indeed be a large pool of potential players who can develop further,  Lets hope their rugby and cricket recovers - but there is also very little at present iro tennis and swimming is concerned,  

 

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