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Is having overseas based players good for the boks?

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Aug 2013, 14:49
#1
07 Aug 2013, 14:49#1

In the past we never had to worry about picking players that were based overseas as we felt that we had decent enough players to choose from, but with 10 overseas based players in the current squad is this good for the boks. 

Personally I think that we should only select boks that have been playing overseas for less than 12 months, any time over that we should stop considering them. 

My reasoning is that I want competition in the squad but at the same time allow players the oppertunity to get make some money in their short career. 

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:28
#2
07 Aug 2013, 15:28#2

Yes lets make half the Fiji's seven team honory SA and select them for SA

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:41
#3
07 Aug 2013, 15:41#3
We will always be tempted to select the great players. Imagine if Etzebeth was overseas and available. Nope I think it's about right, the domestic players have the inside track....those that leave know they are putting Bok participation at risk, but still take the money. That wont change if Bok participation is taken away totally.....as we can see with the players who go to Japan, who are effectively in that boat. Do nothing....often the best choice.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:48
#4
07 Aug 2013, 15:48#4

 Players that split their contracts between Japan and Super rugby has no value for our rugby. They are taking opportunities away to develop players. For example Peter Grant and JP can't play for the boks as their Japan clubs won't allow them to but they can play the Stormers and Cheetahs. I would either have players play in Europe and be available and not taking up positions to develop future boks.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:51
#5
07 Aug 2013, 15:51#5
Imagine if the overseas players understand they have no chance of representing SA - the flood out will be reduced. Meyer is a complete dunce by selecting his squad as at present. He should be shown the door after his latest effort.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2013, 16:00
#6
07 Aug 2013, 16:00#6
Any incumbent Boks who go overseas always remain in the picture and get selected if they happen to still be the best players. Non Boks who leave stand no chance of selection as I doubt the Bok coach keeps abreast of their performances once they leave. Take CJ Stander for instance, he should be called up by Meyer, but that will never happen sadly.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2013, 16:03
#7
07 Aug 2013, 16:03#7
The flood out will not be reduced. Players leave when the incremental money means more to them than a few more tests....or when they think Bok rugby has passed them by. Francois Louw is a classical example of a player, overlooked by the Boks, who left and subsequently became a better player. Why not be able to select him? - I can't think of one player who wouldn't have left if he was told Bok status was gone....even permanently, which I'm guessing could be contested in the courts. - In the old days players like van Vollenhoven who left to play league were permanently banned from Union....if my memory serves me rightly. They still left.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 16:55
#8
07 Aug 2013, 16:55#8

A shit load of cash or a Springbok selection which is no honor anymore cause of the quota thing. Too late to call it only part opf a elite group anymore. 

 

Is a Chiliboy a elite? 

 

I am sure Avril Williams Errol Tobias is shaking their heads in how their achievements is getting wiped through the shit

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2013, 17:05
#9
07 Aug 2013, 17:05#9
Mozart I am not saying a ban on foreign-based players will stop departures - I say it may just reduce the flood - because they would have decent local opportunities as well. If Meyer really made inspired se3lections for his squad based in performance he would not have included half of the nine player who are already overseas or on the point of leaving. They are not irreplaceable - there are better players around that could easily have been in the squad. The only two players really worth their salt in his squad is Bryan Habana and Francois Louw, the others all have question marks as to performances this year or last year. One gained the impression that Meyer can't get over his infatuation with Bulls players - of the nine that is already overseas or leaving this year or players who previously played for the Bulls. Is this really necessary that he persist with them? Take the alternatives he has had fopr the seven that really should have been sent packing:- * Kirchner: Willie le Roux, Ludick, and when returning from injury F Steyn and Taute * Morne Steyn - Lambie, Catrakilis, ultimately also Goosen * Vermaak - Van Zyl, Pretorius, Reinach, Groom * Kruger - De Jager, Du Toit, Du Plessis, Willemse * Rallepele - Cooper, Fourie I grant you that their are injuries to some players and that we have a slight problem at flyhalf - but the rest are barely satisfactory players steamrolled by Meyer - the dunce. And then we have the total under-performers like De Jongh and Alberts also in the squad - the man must want to self-destruct.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 17:14
#10
07 Aug 2013, 17:14#10

Sp according to that when the Bulls players fall out of selection they fuck off over to England or France. So Van Zyl is next 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Aug 2013, 19:31
#11
07 Aug 2013, 19:31#11

 I agree, I think that only Habana and Louw should've selected. Kirchner and can keep on going.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 19:34
#12
07 Aug 2013, 19:34#12
Do you think only having Habana and Beast playing the politicians are going to smile?
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Aug 2013, 20:22
#13
07 Aug 2013, 20:22#13

 I reckon if we go with kolisi ans Senatla, would help the boks and keep the politicians at bay. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Aug 2013, 20:49
#14
07 Aug 2013, 20:49#14

i agree with what mikey said, the Boks picking players based only in SA wont stop players from flocking overseas, but it will help slow down the current flood of players moving.

its questionable though the impact that SA only based players would have against the All Blacks and wallys, but i dont think they would do too bad.

1 beast, 2 a strauss, 3 c osthuizen, 4 e ezebeth, 5 l de jager, 6 s kolisi, 7 l labuschange, 8 d vermeulen, 9 p van zyl, 10 p lambie, 11 d de allende, 12 JDV, 13 j serfontein, 15 jj englebrecht, 15 w le roux
16b du plesiss, 17 j du plesiss, 18 f van der mewe, 19 m coetzee, 20 s pretorius, 21 d caterkilis, 22 b basson

this is a pretty sweet team for SA based players only, and as far as i know, they are all ready to play now, the squad will look even better when the injuries start to clear up.

when it come to meyer, reading between the lines he just dosne thave the same level of faith with the players based in SA that he should have.

losing players like habana shouldnt be viewd as a loss, but an opportunity for someone else to stamp their rugby claims.

it would also help from not pickig gunthro which always has me LMAO in disbelief.

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 21:08
#15
07 Aug 2013, 21:08#15

Sasuke but NZ are still picking Woodcock and a time ago Brad Thorn.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
07 Aug 2013, 22:24
#16
07 Aug 2013, 22:24#16

@spoony,

woody is still based in NZ, but despite him not starting any of the june tests, hes still NZs best looseheads, his age though is a serious factor.
loosehead prop and hooker is the All Blacks worst positions for depth, but if pushed came to shove, it would be acceptable to play the big matches with crocektt or ben franks, but i think we can and should do better taumafuina should learn to play loosehead,

i know the saffas dont rate thorn, but both thorn and woddy are rated very very highly in NZ when they were picked, unlike gunthro who IMO has been kak since 2010, an opinon shared by many of the saffa here and on other forums.

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