MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:41#3
We will always be tempted to select the great players. Imagine if Etzebeth was overseas and available. Nope I think it's about right, the domestic players have the inside track....those that leave know they are putting Bok participation at risk, but still take the money. That wont change if Bok participation is taken away totally.....as we can see with the players who go to Japan, who are effectively in that boat. Do nothing....often the best choice.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2013, 15:51#5
Imagine if the overseas players understand they have no chance of representing SA - the flood out will be reduced. Meyer is a complete dunce by selecting his squad as at present. He should be shown the door after his latest effort.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Aug 2013, 16:00#6
Any incumbent Boks who go overseas always remain in the picture and get selected if they happen to still be the best players. Non Boks who leave stand no chance of selection as I doubt the Bok coach keeps abreast of their performances once they leave.
Take CJ Stander for instance, he should be called up by Meyer, but that will never happen sadly.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2013, 16:03#7
The flood out will not be reduced. Players leave when the incremental money means more to them than a few more tests....or when they think Bok rugby has passed them by. Francois Louw is a classical example of a player, overlooked by the Boks, who left and subsequently became a better player. Why not be able to select him?
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I can't think of one player who wouldn't have left if he was told Bok status was gone....even permanently, which I'm guessing could be contested in the courts.
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In the old days players like van Vollenhoven who left to play league were permanently banned from Union....if my memory serves me rightly. They still left.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2013, 17:05#9
Mozart
I am not saying a ban on foreign-based players will stop departures - I say it may just reduce the flood - because they would have decent local opportunities as well.
If Meyer really made inspired se3lections for his squad based in performance he would not have included half of the nine player who are already overseas or on the point of leaving. They are not irreplaceable - there are better players around that could easily have been in the squad. The only two players really worth their salt in his squad is Bryan Habana and Francois Louw, the others all have question marks as to performances this year or last year.
One gained the impression that Meyer can't get over his infatuation with Bulls players - of the nine that is already overseas or leaving this year or players who previously played for the Bulls. Is this really necessary that he persist with them?
Take the alternatives he has had fopr the seven that really should have been sent packing:-
* Kirchner: Willie le Roux, Ludick, and when returning from injury F Steyn and Taute
* Morne Steyn - Lambie, Catrakilis, ultimately also Goosen
* Vermaak - Van Zyl, Pretorius, Reinach, Groom
* Kruger - De Jager, Du Toit, Du Plessis, Willemse
* Rallepele - Cooper, Fourie
I grant you that their are injuries to some players and that we have a slight problem at flyhalf - but the rest are barely satisfactory players steamrolled by Meyer - the dunce.
And then we have the total under-performers like De Jongh and Alberts also in the squad - the man must want to self-destruct.
SPSpooony
Club Pro718 posts
07 Aug 2013, 19:34#12
Do you think only having Habana and Beast playing the politicians are going to smile?