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Is Hougaard better wing than srumhalf?

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Apr 2012, 16:04
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11 Apr 2012, 16:04#1

Ex Keo

RYAN VREDE wonders whether Francois Hougaard is a more potent wing than he is a scrumhalf.

How long is long enough before making fair and accurate judgements on where Hougaard is better suited? I’m almost certain six Super Rugby matches is too soon. But then he has played the bulk of a Currie Cup campaign and some Tests there and while judgement should be reserved, the debate needs to be opened.

As a point of departure, this isn’t a question of aptitude because Hougaard is undoubtedly gifted in both positions. It is a question of where his greater aptitude lies. (Which depends also on who else is available as scrummeies and wings)

Recruited to the Bulls in late 2007 with the intention of eventually succeeding Fourie du Preez at scrumhalf, Hougaard forced his way into the starting line-up as a wing after convincing (through his work ethic and performances in training) the coaching staff and senior men that he was a special player. He never for a second looked out of place and was never awed by the weight of expectation that accompanied replacing Bryan Habana. He scored crucial tries in the biggest matches and was elevated to the Springboks’ side in 2009 (and stayed there) off the back of his form as a winger.

His acceleration and pace matched and sometimes surpassed the elite wingers in the game, his running lines and eye for a space was outstanding, his positional awareness was good and his ability to consistently power through tackles on attack and execute them effectively on defence belied his physical constitution. I can’t make a judgement of his skill under the high ball because I haven’t seen him take enough for that opinion to be informed, but on the evidence available he is solid.

But he doesn’t elicit the same level of excitement and sense of expectation in me with the No 9 shirt on his back. Part of that tempered view is that he is being asked to play in a manner that I don’t believe harnesses and amplifies his strengths. His box kicking is ordinary and won’t improve in the exponential manner it needs to for him to be a tactical fulcrum with the Bulls and Boks like Du Preez was. It would be grossly inaccurate to suggest he would be set up to fail if asked to continue to play this way. He can but that doesn’t mean he should.

The Bulls are unmoved in their belief that Hougaard is best deployed at scrumhalf. Frans Ludeke reinforced that point to me in an informal discussion earlier this week. Yet his potency when shifted to the wing to accommodate Jano Vermaak in the second half of matches increases notably. Certainly the space and time he is afforded on the wing has much to do with this. But that’s just the point, right? Surely you want Hougaard in space and with time to plot his assault?

He may yet settle into the position he considers his best and indeed the one Du Preez predicted he would rise to be the world’s pre-eminent player in. That sort of ordination from the best scrumhalf ever to play the game does carry significant weight. Maybe time will refine Hougaard into the player Du Preez envisages him becoming.

Right now I don’t see that, although I cannot say with certainty that I have nailed my colours to the mast of those who are convinced he is best suited to wing. I do, however, have the the hammer and nail at the ready and it would take a string of excellent showings at scrumhalf for Hougaard to stay my hand from action.

Tricky one as certainly he can make a success of both positions.  We also have other scrummies and wings. Must say I do like watching his play on the wing. I think Meyer will use Morne and Hougaard as his halfbacks. Morne needs an attacking scrummie. Hougaard needs to sharpen up on his pass its a bit wayward at times.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Apr 2012, 16:24
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11 Apr 2012, 16:24#2

Given we have depth at wing and not at scrumhalf, Hougaard is a must at 9 - its that simple. With du Preez and Pienaar now past their prime, Hougaard is the only real test quality 9 we have.

We have some handy looking players coming through like v/Zyl, Hoffman, Schrauder and Duvenhage but are they test quality? There is also Vermaak but he is getting on as well. We dont need Hougaard on the wing

EK
EkPro1,464 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:09
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11 Apr 2012, 17:09#3

Saffex has a point. There is just somehting that i want to add here and that has to do with the way that Hougard is bieng utilised at Scrumhalf. I am not saying I am right, Just an impression. It seems like the Bulls want him to be a Fourie Du Preez, which he is not. Box kicking is not his strong point. He needs to be Francois Hougaard, once he starts playing like Francois Hougaard and not try and fit into a game plan that doesn't suite him he will be brilliant. I do hope the Bulls coaching staff are bright enough to try and understand that and yes he is the best scrumhalf, pick him, but build your gameplan around the players you believe are the best, not try and box him into a style that is not his strong point.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:24
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11 Apr 2012, 17:24#4

Francois Hougaard, himself, has said that he needs to improve on his box kicks. Nowadays, any scrummie who does not "have a good box kick" is stuffed. He will have his kicks chased down, etc, and he will not make the grade. Having said that, I cannot when last one of his kicks were chased down. He might not be as accurate as FDP yet, but that takes a lot of hard work, and he is not scared of that.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:31
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11 Apr 2012, 17:31#5

Ek, you have a point, but saying that Hougaard's box kicks seem ok to me. He just needs to be allowed to play his natural game and throw in the odd box kick for a variety

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:40
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11 Apr 2012, 17:40#6

To me Hougaard is a scrummie more in the mould of a Mike Phillips, than a Fourie du Preez. He is a combatative, involved player....at his best cover defending and breaking the line. His kicking is less stellar, but then so is Phillips' kicking and Phillips is an undoubted match winner at 9, the strongest claimant to F du Preez's throne.

 

Hougaard was a fabulous wing and I would probably have left him there.....just as I would have left Pienaar at  9. But Hougaard started his senior career as a scrumhalf, so it's not quite the same thing. And we can't bounce this lad around any more. I don't like these moves where he reverts to the wing as subs come on.....likewise with Lambie reverting to fullback.

 

Hougaard and Lambie are our two test proven young backs....play them at 9 and 15, and leave them there.

EK
EkPro1,464 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:43
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11 Apr 2012, 17:43#7

Yes Saffex don't take me wrong, I am not saying it is bad, I am saying it is not his strong point.

Fourie is a tactical Intelligent SH with a very good kicking game bieng his strong point.

Hougie is not that type of player, and playing a territory based game from the scrumhalf with him is not tactically sound, you need to shift your territory based game from scrumhalf to Flyhalf if you play him and utilise his strong running skills and speed off the side of the scrum ala Joost. Hougie is my flavour of a scrummie, a smaller nippy guy that is a terror around the fringes and is fast on the ball. Fourie as good as he is, not my flavour.

GR
greenClub Pro179 posts
11 Apr 2012, 17:58
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11 Apr 2012, 17:58#8

There seems to be good consensus here that Hougaard is a natural winger and will perform exceedingly well there in the test arena, however it is the lack of test-match quality scrummies that forces him into the number 9 role. I can see no argument from any of you guys there, except on the type of game we want to play. All scrummies have to have a decent box-kick which is part of their role, but wether we use it as an out an out tactical weapon is the crucial question when it comes to Hougie.

I think the new Bokke should develop a game plan with a lot of variety and with Hougie at 9 and Frans at 12, they can achieve it provided Morne  can take the ball from a shallow position, which he showed he can in the world cup. In the meantime we have the talented Goosen who will combine well with Hougie and Fransie, but IMO needs to be "phased in" to the Bok and test set-up. I am very hopeful of a great future for the Bokke with all this talent and the right man in charge.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Apr 2012, 18:23
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11 Apr 2012, 18:23#9

Ek - agreed, he is the closest I have seen to a Joost and should play his rugby like Joost did. His box kicking is ok and can be used sparingly, with the focus of territorial play being shifted to 10.

Green, I enjoyed your read until you mentioned Morne at 10 - forget Morne, play Goosen at 10. We need an allround 10 and that is not Morne

 

GR
greenClub Pro179 posts
11 Apr 2012, 19:00
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11 Apr 2012, 19:00#10

Saffex, I agree with you that Morne is not a well rounded flyhalf, but I am a bit weary of throwing the Goose into the deep end of test match rugby so I would want to see a phasing out of Morne and a phasing in of the Goose. Like him or not, he still has a bit to offer and can go a long way in mentoring the Goose. Morne has a lot of experience which the Goose will find very invaluable as a young 19 year old surely needs.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Apr 2012, 00:31
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12 Apr 2012, 00:31#11

 Green you are far too sensible. I rate Morne less than most, so I'd be moving on to Goos straight away. As they say, if you are good enough, age means nothing. It is also clear that the Goos is not phased by anything, test rugby will be a walk in the park for the lad

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
12 Apr 2012, 18:20
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12 Apr 2012, 18:20#12

 If I was the Barbarians coach, I would play Hougaard at first five eight! Think about it!

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
12 Apr 2012, 21:52
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12 Apr 2012, 21:52#13

should hougaard be confined to halfback, the argument that there really is no other halfback out there to put in for the Boks is one that stands out the most, cos there really is no one else and even the halfback subsititue whoever it should be is going to be left wanting. so i say leave him at 9, cos the wing depth is deep and full of class, while the depth at halfback, has never looked quite so depeleted.

i dont think hougaards box kicks are too bad, but compared to du preez who was a tactical genius, it does look shabby, but to be fair, who dosent look shabby when compared to du preez.
i do think that hougaards attack around the rucks and the way he directs his forwards as he picks his moments are already superior to du preez and this is something that IMO meyer will look to encourage, given his attacking philosiphy  during his time with the bulls.

i also think its only a matter of time before we see goosen in the Boks, but he might be a season away before that happens, and given meyers history with morne styne who he brought into the bulls as an attcking flyhalf, he might not be done with morne just yet who i also think will be phased out slowly.

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
13 Apr 2012, 02:02
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13 Apr 2012, 02:02#14

 and don't forget Naru, his cover defense is second to none! He is like the amazing spiderman - he can sense danger before it happens and reacts accordingly.

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