How much does he weigh?
Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 22:16
#1
12 Feb 2014, 22:16#1
Is Mapoe on steroids?
Started by Saffolk 22 REPLIES2,441 VIEWS· 12 Feb 2014, 22:16
Coach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2014, 22:38
#2
12 Feb 2014, 22:38#2
Info said he weighs 87 kgs - mor e or less the same as De Jongh
Captain49,914 posts
12 Feb 2014, 22:44
#3
12 Feb 2014, 22:44#3
We hear nothing of steroids in rugby, yet so many of these guys have the Popeye muscles typical of steroid use. One wonders if the testing regime has any validity.
Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 22:53
#4
12 Feb 2014, 22:53#4
Thats why I was shocked to see that the newly launched Lions site has him down as 101kg
Minnie at 111kg
Volmink 93kg
Andries Coetzee 92kg
For once we have a site that actually sticks their actual weights on there and not the old historic weights.......Mapoe has always been listed as 87kg but has always looked bigger
The newly launched Bulls site on the otherhand has gone with the outdated historic weights - poor showing
Minnie at 111kg
Volmink 93kg
Andries Coetzee 92kg
For once we have a site that actually sticks their actual weights on there and not the old historic weights.......Mapoe has always been listed as 87kg but has always looked bigger
The newly launched Bulls site on the otherhand has gone with the outdated historic weights - poor showing
Coach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2014, 23:01
#5
12 Feb 2014, 23:01#5
Saffex
That is virtually an impossible weight for a player of the height of 1,82. Must be an error by the Lions website.
Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 00:05
#6
13 Feb 2014, 00:05#6
Rubbish Mike, that is a similar height to me and I weigh 98kg without spending hours in the gym.
There are many 6ft pro rugby players that weigh 100kg
England's Manu Tuilagi 1.83m and 110kg
Rohan Janse van Rensburg 1.84m 106kg
There are many 6ft pro rugby players that weigh 100kg
England's Manu Tuilagi 1.83m and 110kg
Rohan Janse van Rensburg 1.84m 106kg
Club Pro640 posts
13 Feb 2014, 00:10
#7
13 Feb 2014, 00:10#7
Weight isn't really a great indicator if someone is on steroids, or PED's. Guy's can take all sorts of drugs for all sorts of reasons. Not just to get huge.
Also, weight for pro athletes fluctuates during off season, and in season. For a rugby player his weight will be much lower mid-season then it will mid-off season. Same with an (Ice) hockey player. Guys could weigh 87kg now, and in 2 months weigh 83. The given weight of a player is probably wrong 9 out of 10 times.
Saying all that, I agree with Moz. We hear very little of steroid use in Rugby. That isn't a good thing. I wouldn't want it to be as rampant as a sport like cycling, but once and a while a few guys should be getting caught if the system in place is good enough. You can't ell me that 100% of Super Rugby players are clean.
Also, weight for pro athletes fluctuates during off season, and in season. For a rugby player his weight will be much lower mid-season then it will mid-off season. Same with an (Ice) hockey player. Guys could weigh 87kg now, and in 2 months weigh 83. The given weight of a player is probably wrong 9 out of 10 times.
Saying all that, I agree with Moz. We hear very little of steroid use in Rugby. That isn't a good thing. I wouldn't want it to be as rampant as a sport like cycling, but once and a while a few guys should be getting caught if the system in place is good enough. You can't ell me that 100% of Super Rugby players are clean.
Coach57,555 posts
13 Feb 2014, 04:17
#8
13 Feb 2014, 04:17#8
Saffex
Fat weighs more than muscles - and that is a fact. You would find that players like Etzebeth (at school 140 kgs) in fact came down massively in weight when they really rid themselves of fat and develop real muscles.
The weight scale of players of Mapoe's height is between 87 and 92 kgs - 101 kgs indicate too much bodily fat.
sharkbok
Captain23,259 posts
Captain23,259 posts
13 Feb 2014, 04:25
#9
13 Feb 2014, 04:25#9
What is heavier, a KG of fat or a KG of muscle?
common fitness misconception
is that a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat.
False! — a
pound is a pound (of feathers, glass, Jell-O...you name it).
But because a pound of fat takes up about four times the space of muscle tissue, it’s possible to look and feel trimmer even if body weight remains the same [4].
Newbie8 posts
13 Feb 2014, 06:58
#10
13 Feb 2014, 06:58#10
Heh. But you're also playing with misconception. You have to the change that sentence the other way around as well.
Muscle density is much higher than that of fat. Athlete's muscle density is much higher and weighs more per specific space. Bodybuilders' are more about pumping via light weights, thus it is nothing more than hot air... ask Spies.
Also bone density plays a role. People's bones structure and density differ and also make a big impact on total weight.
Brussow is the same length as Mapoe and weighs 105kg. Carel Greef (loosie at the Cheetahs) weighs even more... they're fetchers, thus you'll find fat percentages to be quite low.
But must say the scrumhalf, Kritzinger, is 1.78m and weighs 110kg. Suspect that is a wrong listing.
Muscle density is much higher than that of fat. Athlete's muscle density is much higher and weighs more per specific space. Bodybuilders' are more about pumping via light weights, thus it is nothing more than hot air... ask Spies.
Also bone density plays a role. People's bones structure and density differ and also make a big impact on total weight.
Brussow is the same length as Mapoe and weighs 105kg. Carel Greef (loosie at the Cheetahs) weighs even more... they're fetchers, thus you'll find fat percentages to be quite low.
But must say the scrumhalf, Kritzinger, is 1.78m and weighs 110kg. Suspect that is a wrong listing.
Club Pro471 posts
13 Feb 2014, 07:00
#11
13 Feb 2014, 07:00#11
DomMike: "Fat weighs more than muscles - and that is a fact."
And that statement also sums up your rugby knowledge too.
And that statement also sums up your rugby knowledge too.
Coach57,555 posts
13 Feb 2014, 07:13
#12
13 Feb 2014, 07:13#12
The Trooth Fairy
Look - Fat Francois Steyn weighed 118 kgs last year - The ideal weight for a player of rugby or virtually all other codes of sport with a height of 1,94 is 105 to 108 kgs. Any medical doctor has that co-ordinate scale. Heavier weight than that has a detrimental impact on speed and athletics ability.
You find that Fat Willem Sloth Alberts at 1,94 weighs 121 kgs - and he is slow and clumsy as a result.
The body framework plays a role in some positions. Props generally have a bigger framework and would weigh more than the standard weight scale - but props are not known for either speed or athletic ability .
That is the situation in all active sportsmen.
Dumb idiot - you have missed the story completely - I was playing the fool with Saffex and reacted to his weight story. Hell - but you are twisted.
Club Pro471 posts
13 Feb 2014, 07:48
#13
13 Feb 2014, 07:48#13
Wooosh!!!!
Muscles are much dense than fat. The exact opposite of what you tried to imply.
What you said
"You would find that players like Etzebeth (at school 140 kgs) in fact came down massively in weight when they really rid themselves of fat and develop real muscles."
The fact is however that if he gain the same volume of muscle as the volume of fat he lost, he would have gained weight. And that is a fact! aka The_Truth
Muscles are much dense than fat. The exact opposite of what you tried to imply.
What you said
"You would find that players like Etzebeth (at school 140 kgs) in fact came down massively in weight when they really rid themselves of fat and develop real muscles."
The fact is however that if he gain the same volume of muscle as the volume of fat he lost, he would have gained weight. And that is a fact! aka The_Truth
Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 10:28
#14
13 Feb 2014, 10:28#14
Wrong Mike........as I indicated with the two examples above, players that are 1.8m odd tall can easily weigh 100kg.......Tuilangi of England weighs 110kg........did you not read????
How can fat be heavier than muscle, what a silly comment..............I can assure you Mapoe is not fat
How can fat be heavier than muscle, what a silly comment..............I can assure you Mapoe is not fat
Club Pro713 posts
13 Feb 2014, 10:51
#15
13 Feb 2014, 10:51#15
"Also bone density plays a role. People's bones structure and density differ and also make a big impact on total weight."
When you train heavy your bones in fact become thicker. How much weight this can add I couldn't say, but it's worth noting.
"Bodybuilders' are more about pumping via light weights, thus it is nothing more than hot air... ask Spies."
I wouldn't say lighter, but they do place differing emphasis on reps and sets. The trouble when you train heaviest is that you are not building the mass of muscle so much, but you train your central nervous system to overcome the strength inhibition inherent in the body. Strength is all about tension; you already have the capacity to do extraordinary feats of strength. In overcoming this you wouldn't want to train to failure either. Bodybuilders choose a reap range of between 8-12 generally and train to failure, so the body has to adapt and increase in mass. It's hard to explain in brief
@CleverMike : Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
When you train heavy your bones in fact become thicker. How much weight this can add I couldn't say, but it's worth noting.
"Bodybuilders' are more about pumping via light weights, thus it is nothing more than hot air... ask Spies."
I wouldn't say lighter, but they do place differing emphasis on reps and sets. The trouble when you train heaviest is that you are not building the mass of muscle so much, but you train your central nervous system to overcome the strength inhibition inherent in the body. Strength is all about tension; you already have the capacity to do extraordinary feats of strength. In overcoming this you wouldn't want to train to failure either. Bodybuilders choose a reap range of between 8-12 generally and train to failure, so the body has to adapt and increase in mass. It's hard to explain in brief
@CleverMike : Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Pro6,277 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:11
#16
13 Feb 2014, 14:11#16
agree with canrugby, weight isnt really a good indicator of steroid abuse, heaps of players for many reason come back heavier then they were previously.
i like mapoe always have, im wondering if anyone has any current photos of mapoe, and and photos of him this time last year,
i like mapoe always have, im wondering if anyone has any current photos of mapoe, and and photos of him this time last year,
Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:18
#17
13 Feb 2014, 14:18#17
My questioning Mapoe on steroids was a joke by the way.........it was thrown in given the weight gain from 87kg to 101kg!!
Captain30,741 posts
13 Feb 2014, 14:20
#18
13 Feb 2014, 14:20#18
Sas from the Lions site
http://www.lionsrugby.co.za/lionsteam.aspx?item=4095&multiid=0&archive=0
http://www.lionsrugby.co.za/lionsteam.aspx?item=4095&multiid=0&archive=0
Club Pro640 posts
13 Feb 2014, 16:58
#19
13 Feb 2014, 16:58#19
I didn't realize you were joking, Saffex. You didn't put an exclamation point.
Club Pro336 posts
13 Feb 2014, 17:46
#20
13 Feb 2014, 17:46#20
Good one Saffex, you had me doing some serious research on the lad, while all this was just a joke.
On a serious note, the Lions home page is pretty cool.
On a serious note, the Lions home page is pretty cool.
Pro1,870 posts
14 Feb 2014, 19:29
#21
14 Feb 2014, 19:29#21
High rate of injuries has a number of contributing factors of which I believe use of steriods is one. Some bodies just can't handle the extra weight and strength that comes with it especially in such a physically demanding sport. Been around some of it in sports and just my observation of the guys who were doing it.
These "boys" sure seem to be maturing and developing faster and bigger than ever. Temptation to get an edge in this competitive environment is huge - the lure of success and the accompanying status and respect is powerful. Would not be surprised if many a dad turns a blind eye or even facilitates the process. Hope I'm wrong but it does appear there isn't a good system in rugby to test for that stuff.
These "boys" sure seem to be maturing and developing faster and bigger than ever. Temptation to get an edge in this competitive environment is huge - the lure of success and the accompanying status and respect is powerful. Would not be surprised if many a dad turns a blind eye or even facilitates the process. Hope I'm wrong but it does appear there isn't a good system in rugby to test for that stuff.
Captain30,741 posts
14 Feb 2014, 23:02
#22
14 Feb 2014, 23:02#22
Sorry Can !!!!!!!!!!!
sharkbok
Captain23,259 posts
Captain23,259 posts
27 Jun 2017, 02:17
#23
27 Jun 2017, 02:17#23
bump
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