Is Razor toast?

I think he's done.

The ABs look worse than they were at the 23 WC.

They look like they have no ideas, no leadership and no ability to adapt.

My feeling is that last night's result was made to look slightly better by that little tosspot of an Italian ref who brought the ABs back into it right when England looked like piling the hurt on the ABs;

It started with the jackal of Smith when he tracked back which should have been a penalty to England since there was very obviously zero daylight shown, and then Earl being yellow carded for a maul infringement what was never ever an infringement. That gifted the ABs their first score in about 50 minutes and threatened to provide an English adrenaline dump that the ABs could feed off of.

England did suffer a brief spell of somber play after that incident but then kicked back into gear and walked over the ABs in the last 20.

Those two tap penalties the ABs took were easily the dumbest things I saw this weekend.

England got undone early by the two quick scores but pretty much controlled the game after that. Ford's two droppies were masterful and their pack just grew and grew into the game while the ABs just wilted. Toward the end, one actually felt a touch sorry for the AB pack, they were just not in the fight anymore.

What is razor gonna do? Are the ABs gonna turn a corner at some point? Who is better now than they were when he took over? Who are the leaders?

It's sad, because it's not for a lack of trying, but I'm not sure Razor is able to prevent the collapse of AB rugby that we are witnessing. The AB PR machine is so huge, the reputation so massive, that it's almost impossible to get out from under its shadow. It'll piss the Kiwis off to read this but one feels as though a full collapse needs to happen. One where everybody involved realises and agrees that reputation is nothing but a picture on the wall.

I don't think sacking Razor will do much. But I do think it's gonna happen.

There is one problem that the AB's have and that is deficiencies in their feeding scheme for bringing in new players is depleted, The team has very weak players like Mackenzie and the Barrett brothers - already over-the-hill -and their props are poor as well. There centers are sub-standard as well.

Razor cannot on his own be blamed for that - there is just not enough better players than those mentioned by me available for selection. To a large extent NZ Rugby caused problem by kicking SA and Argentan out of Super Rugby directly linked to lower rugby on te second level - ie on Super Rugby level - and the NZ and Aussie Rugby lost millions in TV income as well.

Maybe we could donate White or even Pinetree to them as an alternative - but that woudd bugger up NZ rugby further for decades to come. LOL

"Maybe we could donate White or even Pinetree to them as an alternative"

Pinetree? I think they'd take the great Colin Meads back in a heartbeat.

Maybe just a joke to fire up Mozart again. LOL

Richie Mo'unga has resigned with the All Blacks and is available next year.

Then you have the young U 20 Flyhalf Taha Kemara that’s coming thru the system.

Mckenzie and Barrett is definitely not completely useless. They might be having a bit of dip, but not as bad as some suggest…

The Centre‘s are also in a dip, but guys like Billy Proctor, just had a off day.

Lienert Brown might be a bit on the out. Gideon Wrampling is a promising young centre coming thru.

Xavi Taele, Josh Whaanga is other Younger centres coming thru.

Props they have de Groot, Lomax, Taimaiti and Pasilio Tosi. Newell is not test standard.

The All Blacks might not have the depth of SA, but a proud Rugby Nation that can’t be written off.

Is Razor the right man?? He has been struggling and is not getting the basic consistency right, at the Moment.

But, he is a renowned coach at Super Rugby Level and still finding his feet at test level.

It might be wise to get some consultancy from Steve Hansen, Graham Henry and John Mitchell.

Joe Schmidt is also a option, but otherwise engaged with OZ at the moment.

I think it’s an overreaction to say Razor is already toast or that the All Blacks’ player depth is toast. It’s premature.

Possibly, but the All Black tight five are just not very good - by far the worst player resources the All Blacks have had in the modern era. (Perhaps ever).

Mpower

The players you refer to are just not up to the standatrd compared to those who for many years made the AB's the top team in World Rugby. Let me ex[lain further - many of the SA players came through Under 20 rugb. / New Zealand has not won that one for seven years and that showed up in the fact that they were sub-standard on that level and that is a proven fact.

The other problem is that the level on competetence of players are on what it is at present Super Rugby Pacific played agaist weaker teams does not really sharpen up players that qualfy playes to play on national level. There best player by a proverbal mile is Ardie Savea - but he is already 32 years of age and not the player he was 2 years ago. Where are the other Savea's that could replace players. In any event I would be surpised if Ardia does not move to plaly for a foreign club next year and in 2027, because his retirement is approaching rapdly., . ,

There are basically two issues that turn new Zealand rugby into the present mess it is in - the one I already mentioned - the other of equal importance is he refusal of the All Blacks to allow for selection of players playing for foreign clubs for the AB team. Vacancies by such players can allow for fresh faces to come through the system on club level - while saving money for affording new players. Rugby on test level is a relatively short term career at most ten to twelve years and players must earn enough money to sustain them for the rest of their lives, And NZ rugby has limited financial resources for that to happen. .

You refer to Mo-unga - but even in his to years he was not a regular flyhalf for the AB's - another 31 year old and certanly released by the club he is playing for. If he as good enough they would retain him by increasing his salary,

The fact is that in the years when the AB's reigned supreme was totally different from what it is now, It is being destroyed by the Woke culture that -

1. undermines national pride in people; and
2. does damage to kids doing anything really physical and rugby is just for the not lazy minority. .

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All Blacks rugby is experiencing a natural phase common in team sports when several key players retire around the same time. Their style of play hasn’t changed, but they lack the depth to return to their previous heights just yet. Australia faces a similar challenge, while England has finally bounced back from their slump. It’s going to take time.

The All Blacks will be back . . . with or without Razor.

England and France got back since the have large pools than New Zealand can ever have, New Zealmd for amny years used Pacific Island players in their Super Rugby teams and when qualified they became NZ citizens and played for NZ in tests, That source has dried up and is not available to NZ anymore,

In a country with 5 million people resources for producing rugby players are really down. England has a population of beween 68 and 69 million people - whie France has circa 65 million people, Under Erasmus the SA pool has increased to about 62 million people. That is why rugby showed renewable resources in those three countries and stagnation in New Zealand.

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The AB always had the deficit in numbers…But they still managed to raine supreme for a long time.

Its like Denny says, they not there yet regarding Player depth. It takes much longer for them to build up the necessary player depth…

They will get there eventually…The Rugby World needs the AB to be great again. It’s good for Competition.

Honestly it will be Boring without the Magical Bok vs AB clashes:) Also the Haka is cool…

That really pissed me off yesterday, when the poms were singing there sweet chariot song during the Haka…it always sounds like they drunk:)

Usually they have a microphone on the field for the Haka, so it’s nice and loud…

In the professional era, they've always been able to measure themselves against the SA SR sides. If you could man up to our packs then you were likely good enough for test rugby.

They no longer have that luxury. Meanwhile all the other top counties are competing against the best at club level. And SA is benefitting more than anybody else from the current status quo...with it not looking like slowing down anytime soon.

Sure, Rassie is good coach, but a lot of what is happening now is the result of factors external to the Bok change room that are directly contributing to its strength. Think of a guy like Batho. In a couple of years from now he'll have seen all there is to see as a young pro. Previously he would not have been playing rugby, and prior to the URC, he would not be getting such wide exposure and international experience. These are all things that happen entirely outside of the influence of the Bok caching team but which benefit it directly. Benefits on top of benefits.

The same guy in New Zealand...what does his journey look like?

I said this like 3 years ago and while it's not the only factor, I'm hearing it mentioned more and more.

Obviously some speculation, but finding talent is one thing and converting it into test quality is another thing.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but the professional era is becoming more professional by the second, and isolation is the opposite of what's needed today.

For me, the Kiwis are on a road to nowhere with the current SR. It does not give them the exposure they need and likely fills them with unjustified confidence.

The more I think about it, the more I feel like they need to come up with funding from somewhere and get the Cheetahs, EP, Boland, Griquas, etc involved. If the money is decent and the competition fair, those smaller SA franchises would get a lot of spillover filling their ranks and provide some stiff competition for the ABs side.

The only down side being that it'll strengthen SA rugby even more lol

Whatever the solution is, it feels like the Boks and ABs are on totally different trajectories.

The Boks are winning while not playing to their full potential while ABs are likely wondering when they will turn the corner...which means they haven't hit the bottom yet. And while Boks appear to have al the fuel and benefits to continue on their upward trajectory, the Kiwis are trying to figure out how to stop plummeting.

For those that want to wash over all of this with statements like "They'll be back" or "Dominance is temporary", I'm not sure you've fully considered the current Kiwi position. It's finding players, exposing them to the right opposition, curating their professionalism and careers, managing the shadow of reputation...on and on. It's a dire situation. One that SR previously offered most of the answers to.

Unless a solution is found, the ABs could find themselves as irrelevant as their cricket side.

It won't make a difference if the ABs change their coach, the problems they have won't disappear.

They're missing a few things, first and most glaring is that they don't have a solid tight five. Their front row lacks beef and their second row lacks tall timber. Also lacking is a leadership group and experience. It didn't help that their decline coincided with the collapse of the super rugby series. The 6 week tour of South Africa next year, RWC27 and the follow up tour to NZ by the Boks in 2028 will make a world of difference to their rugby.

On another note, I'm very proud of the fact that no-one on this site has appeared smug or gloated and showed disrespect to a proud rugby nation.

They'll be back

Edit: We had to wait a while for Pakistani born Usman Khawaja to play cricket for Oz but he's worth his weight in gold. So whyfor no cando a boertjie or two playing for NZ down the track? The SAFFA population is growing at the rate of knots in NZ.

Denny

The later may help NZ rugby over the longer term, It dies not apply to only NZ the USA rugby fraternty will even benefit more. LOL

Razor has had 2 years already. Last year he was 10/4 and this year assuming they beat Wales they will end at 11/3. Modest progress, but actually with 2 tests at home vs the Boks vs away in 2024, there is no progress.

There are quite a few new players only six players who played in the WC final played yesterday against England….Barrett and Jordan in different positions. So in a sense only 4 positions had the same incumbents.

That’s a lot of change and theoretically the team should still improve from here. But is there any progress in tactics, any player who could ignite things like Sacha has for the Boks. A lot has been said about Roigard, and he’s a good player, but I doubt he is going to be the spark that changes things.

The loss to England wasn’t good, but the second Bok test, which isn’t much mentioned must have been really disturbing.

NZ have a choice to make, do they think Razor has another gear. If not, he has already spent a fair amount of credibility. It’s not totally his fault the resources are thin…but they may be better off making a change now to instill some new belief. If your coach is losing and doesn’t seem to have any answers why not try a new pair eyes.

Mozart

Sad to say - but I wrrote about inherent problems New Zealand Rugby caused for themsleves and those problems would not go away by changing the coach. There are deep-seated problems in NZ Rugby they must deal with - the new idea to have tours between SA and New Zealnd may improve their financial sotiation - but other problms like the cancelling Super Rugby and introduce Super Rugby Pacific was just one of many problems they caused for themselves.

I agree the break up of Super Rugby hurt NZ, but actually your point about the smaller pool of players is more concerning for them going forward. The Boks are a different team with all the nation’s resources available. And with the kids’ heroes being Sacha and Ox, the flow of talent will only get better.

Razor se bollie is geboek...skrif is aan die muur.

Hopefully some of our NZ friends here can give us some insight into the general feeling over there.

New Zealand need to wake up to the need that they must be able to select their overseas based players

Get with the times

Yep, doesn't make sense in the professional era.

There are multiple factors that are at play here. New Zealand was always ahead of the game and was the first country to go from provincial to franchise and merge their unions.

They relied heavily on South Sea Islanders. So that really propped up their team.

Fast forward and you also see rugby league in Australia taking off paying some serious cash to youngsters.

On top of that, Australia and New Zealand have been battling it out who will sign the south sea island youngsters.

Add further insult to injury and they are also battling money from clubs from abroad like Japan and Europe. Those contracts are life-changing for those south sea Islanders as it affords them to opportunity to help their families that are very dependent on them.

Then final nail is that New Zealand refuses to allow any foreign to play for them.

New Zealand also has that air of arrogance to still believe that professional clubs are no where near the quality of what they can produce at home but that is no longer the place. These clubs have learned to survive in a very small margin world and they have become very innovative in getting the best out of their players. Out players actually becoming better going to France, England and Ireland rather than staying home. I was listening to some ex SA players about how well Saracens use to look after them and it showed on the pitch. This is not the same in SA and neither in NZ.

So my point being is NZ is no longer the driving force in Rugby and everyone else has now bypassed them

Also, Robinson is a Crusaders coach who has been the kiwis main feeder. However, without Richi, Robinson simply won't be able to get the guys to play the game he likes to play. His lack of test exposure also counts against him.

Simple as that, rugby has moved on and NZ need to stop doubling down

Alot of the comments on here are correct.

And I think NZ will have to go to picking overseas players.

Another real problem for NZ rugby has been the infighting and self interest at NZ Rugby Union Level along with the fighting with the provincial unions.

The NZ Rugby public can see it al happening but the idiots at the rugby union level deny it all.

There is a total dis-connect between NZ Rugby and the rugby public.

What we have lacked for quite some time is a real leader -Mark Robinson is an absolute arsehole and that is reflected by the problems we had around our AB coaches.

Booting South Africa out of Super Rugby is just a reflection of very bad management at the rugby union.

To much attention has been on thinking that NZ rugby is this huge business - And focus on the financial value of NZ Rugby and trying to paly matches in the USA at the expense of the NZ Public are just examples of the negligence that has been going on.

And the focus has gone away from the rugby.

Don't under-estimate the Springbok win in the last world cup - The AB's lost by 1 point - We should not have even been in the final on form and we never earned the right to win that world cup.

Robertson is struggling - His coaching team are struggling - two have left - That tells us something.

The NZ Rugby public are struggling to even understand what the AB's are doing on the field at the moment.

I think we ended up with the wrong coach.

Joe schmidt would have been better for NZ Rugby.

At one stage Rupert had the majority shareholding in Saracens. When Brits was considering to end his contract with Saracens Rupert called him in and told him to sign a two year extension and hr had a major jon fo him. What materialized later that Rupert bought a 74.5% share of the Bulls Franchise af ter selling his Saracens shareholfing - he went into partnership with Motsepe and at present each have 37,75% of the shares of the Bulls, Rupert appointed to a job inm Remgro t oversea the investments of Mosepe and himself on their Rugby Inerests, A t present cove he eemployment costs of Sacha and Willense to keep them in the Stormers franchise. There income is secret - but that is known is that in every test he played in he gets R185 000 per match - same as other test playes get paid - but even if they are mot playing and is part of the squad they get R5 850 per day. The same as they are attending specoal camps. So take 3 test series per year and those lasting between 4 and 8 weeks and if they play in two matches SARU a [lyer get paid the following:-:

Say 8 tests out of 12 played - R1 480 000

In Squad for 12 weeks - R3 439 800

MOM and incidentials - R180 000

The full time employers are the frachises and clubs they play for and that can be as high as $900 000 per Players are paif according to merit, Take for instance Etzebeth - it was recently rumoured that his annual income from tugby is circa R25 000 000 per annum. But that may be an estimate At the rate Sacha and Willese is going my guess is they are already somewhere around R20 000 000 per year - R5 000 000 from SARU and the rest from the franchisess. Besides that players get sponsoships and advertising income,

That is the situation in the three frachises controlled by bilionaire owners - the Lions players are not as well off. I got that from newspaper speculation and the actual structure of SARU payments . Whether it is that much may be debated - but is enough to prevent Sacha and Willemse from going to play for foreign teams.

Can New Zealand afford that kind of salaries and he answer is NO. NZ Rugby is in serious financial difficultirs. Red the following:-

New Zealand Rugby (NZR) recorded a significant loss of NZ$19.5 million in 2024, despite record income, because of high fixed costs, particularly player wages. The organization has stated its current commercial model is "not sustainable" and is working to find new revenue streams and diversify income beyond traditional sponsorship and matchday revenue. While the commercial performance has been poor, NZR maintains a strong balance sheet to absorb financial shocks.

New Zealand dollars equal R195 000 000 - South Africa deficite is R54 000 000 easily covered by sponsorships

It is t hat kind of situation where NZ should allow to play for overseas clubs and franchises - their present approach is financially unsustainable and h solution is to let the AB's play for foreign clubs and used salary savings to fund a bigger feeding system for players,

By the way in their R1,6 billion broadcast rights of Siper Rugby R400 million wnt to NZ rugby, R400 million to Australian Rugby, R100 milian to Argentina Rugby and the rest to SARU, NZ lost that source when they ended Super Rugby and all that happened is that Supersport covers the cost of SA teams in the URC and Club Championship tournaments - but what that entail is not public news.

In professional sport money reigns supreme - if money becomes a problem growth in the sport goes belly-up.

At one stage Rupert had the majority shareholding in Saracens. When Brits was considering to end his contract with Saracens Rupert called him in and told him to sign a two year extension and hr had a major jon fo him. What materialized later that Rupert bought a 74.5% share of the Bulls Franchise af ter selling his Saracens shareholfing - he went into partnership with Motsepe and at present each have 37,75% of the shares of the Bulls, Rupert appointed to a job inm Remgro t oversea the investments of Mosepe and himself on their Rugby Inerests, A t present cove he eemployment costs of Sacha and Willense to keep them in the Stormers franchise. There income is secret - but hat is nown is that in every test he played in he gets R185 000 per match - same as other tplayes get paid - but even if they are mot playing and is aprt of the squad they get R5 850 per day. The same as theya re attending specoal camps. so of the players. So take 3 testserries per year and those lasting between 4 and 8 weeks and if they play in two matches SARU a;pme pau them the following:

Say 8 tests out of 12 played - R1 480 000

In Squad for 12 weeks - R3 439 800

MOM and ohe incidentials - R180 000

The full time employers are the frachises and clubs they play for and that can be as high as $900 000 per Players are paif according to merit, Take for instance Etzebeth - it was recently rumoured that his annual income from tugby is circa R25 000 000 per annum. But that may be an estimate At the rate Sacha and Willese is going my guess is they are already somewhere around R20 000 000 per year - R5 000 000 from SARU and the rest from the franchisess. Besides that players get sponsoships and advertising income,

That is the situation in the three frachises controlled by bilionaire owners - the Lions players are not as well off. I got that from newspaper speculation and the actual structure of SARU payments . Whether it is that much may be debated - but is enough to prevent Sacha and Willemse from going to play for foreign teams.

Can New Zealand afford that kind of salaries and he answer is NO. BZ Rugby is in serious financial difficultirs. Red the following:-

New Zealand Rugby (NZR) recorded a significant loss of NZ$19.5 million in 2024, despite record income, because of high fixed costs, particularly player wages. The organization has stated its current commercial model is "not sustainable" and is working to find new revenue streams and diversify income beyond traditional sponsorship and matchday revenue. While the commercial performance has been poor, NZR maintains a strong balance sheet to absorb financial shocks.

New Zealand dollars equal R195 000 000 - South Africa deficite is R54 000 000 easily covered by sponsorships

It is that kind of situastion where NZ should allow players to play for overseas clubs and franchises - their present approach is financially unsustainable and the solution is to let the AB's play for foreign clubs and used salary savings to fund a bigger feedding system for players,

By the way in their R1,6 billion broadcast rights of Siper Rugby R400 million went to NZ rugby, R400 million to Australian Rugby, R100 milian to Argentina Rugby and the rest to SARU, NZ lost that source when they ended Super Rugby and all that happened is that Supersport covers the cost of SA teams in the URC and Club Championship tournaments - but what that entail is not public news.

In professional sport money reigns supreme - if money becomes a problem growth in the sport goes belly-up.

Tx for the insight Black and Red, would also like to hear what Moola has to say. You definitely have to leave the door open for your overseas based players, a quick fix solution and necessary under the circumstances. Also don't believe you have the cattle of a previous great era to do the job but again that is just one of several other problems.

I think the results are proving we don't have the cattle.

And the grass roots of the game in NZ - Amateur rugby is slowly diminishing because the NZRU have shit on the real asset of the game here.

The idiots seem to think that the Jewel is the money earner (AB's) but the money earner is actually only the result of the fabric of the game in NZ and the union have shit on the very reason why we have been successful.

And it is correct - it is not sustainable - it cannot be sustainable if we are having to rely on the USA.

So we left with the real problem - The Rugby Unions negligent management of the game.

But those sick fucks won't admit it.

And no - I am a Crusaders supporter and we are not happy with results or Razor.

But we will live to fight another day and continue our battle with our wonderful mates in South Africa.

We know for sure that in life nothing is permanent, I'm talking about the 'sick Fucks' who you've mentioned, there time will come, let's hope sooner rather than later.

Thanks B&R, nice to get the NZ perspective.

Well, they didn't fire his predecessor, so Razor will probably be safe still.

Black and Red

Althugh SARU has a role in playing school rugby in SA the fuding of chool rugby is not directly linked to SARU. In South Africa the main 50 schools has resource to an estimate of R3 billion onvovled in school spoprt - especially rugby, That is in NZ dollars circa NZ$300 million. Dies BZ Rugby abd the ricate sector invest that kind of money in school rugby? I really do not think so.

So where doees the money for that $3 billion conmes from? I live about 1,5 kilometers from such a schol, On a Board at the entance to the school ground there are over 30 small businesses and farmers opeating in the area, The rest came from private people selling cakes and other items to benefit the school, whle the parents of chool children and past people also contributed, The school involved is Oakdale - a High School offering Agriculture as a major subject - and the children are in the main from farms and other communities interested in rugby promotion as a sport,

Thereare 50 schools where rugby is a major part of school rugby. Oakdale had 5 players in the under 19 school rugby in a competition fo WR this year. SA won that RW series beating every team in all countries played against. The Under 20 rugby players from those schools virtually made up the whole SA Under 20 team - which wipe the floor this year. . Another example is that the Stormers signed up 8 school leavers this year alone. They could go through the Rugby Academy in Stellenbosch and some ended up early as Springboks as a result, Sacha Feinberg-Ngomezulu is just one of those examples.

I feel it is necessary in NZ to undrtake a review of school and under 20 rugby in NZ and investments be made into those categories aimed at promotion of rugby as a sport in NZ based on the SA Model. If a cuture of playing rugby profesionally is a key part of such a system.

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I honestly don't envy coaches.

Assume you want to play to a certain system, one that you are convinced it will provide maximum benefit.

You simply have to back yourself. You can't go in half way.

And so you do. You know you'll eat some losses on the way. The fans never know exactly how many of those losses are as a result of your system and how many are the result of the players failing to implement and sustain your gameplan.

But the losses come. And then, at a time when you should be trending upwards, you appear to have made no progress.

What do you do?

Do you continue to back your system until you get axed? Do you switch it up, knowing that this will likely result in more short term losses and look even worse...perhaps hastening the axe?

Coaching the Boks and the ABs is by far the worst. The public expect you to win every single game. Teams like England, France and a Ireland are just happy to beat the Boks and Abs once in a while...the bar is simply lower.

And between the Bok and AB coaching jobs, taking the recent period of AB dominance into account, I'd say the AB coach is by some distance the hottest seat in the house. The weight of expectation must be unbearable.

I'm not sure how many Kiwi fans could swallow phrases such as "building for the future". They'll say that "we don't have the cattle" but I think that underneath that they still believe they should be beating everyone.

The dominance hangover is real and I don't envy Razor even a little bit.

Well said Plum....

Yes we still have that expectation to beat everyone - Even the Boks.

However we do have problems that are not being rectified.

And we are not happy with what is going on.

Razor and co are just not doing the job expected of them.

Before thinking all is doom and gloom for the wee abs I remind the oaks that NZ are still second on the rankings. Getting their overseas players in the mix alone could solve their player problems.

I said many years ago that strategically we should move north. That financially we were keeping NZ afloat. That Pacific Island players were benefitting NZ and that a Pacic Islam Team should join the SH test competition and a Pacific Island team should play super rugby etc. The aim being to help stop the Islanders rugby drain to NZ and Oz.

Great to see the oaks eventually catching up literally years later. Hahahahahaha.

Personally I never minded that our departure would drop NZ and Oz in the dwang. Their disgraceful get the Jarpie programme and their bent refs put me off completely.

And no you don't need a huge population to dominate world rugby. The Bok and NZ showed this pre isolation. Even today England and France have never dominated.

I think NZ, will find a way back. Heck they are second in the world and not far off the pace at all!

The Boks have had a great run. How long can we keep it going is the question. Some very great players like Du Toit, Marx Eben Snyman. Lood, Wilco, Tomas Du Toit won't be around too much longer. Will the replacements be as good?

One thing surprised me this weekend. The AB pack weight given on TV was 968 kg!

Wales were given at 923 kg. The Bok were given as 904 kg and Ireland at 895 I think it was. Doesn't sound right to me?

No I won't be surprised if the Abs return to number 1 at some point and we have more red faces on the board. Ditto I won't be surprised if we are not number 1 at some point. Even the biggest Mampara here should understand nothing lasts forever. So hence I say enjoy being on top of the rugby world. Stop all your unseemly whining at every turn.

Beeno the voice of sanity crying out in the wilderness!