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Is Steppie any faster than Meisiekind?

Started by Mozart16 REPLIES452 VIEWS· 30 Sept 2014, 17:58
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2014, 17:58
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30 Sept 2014, 17:58#1

Wynand Olivier much pumped by some, is a decent enough player. He has a fine long pass, is quite physical and has the usual Bools inside step to the pack.  But he was always done in by pace. Giteau for example, tortured him through the outside gap....Wynand never had much top end, but crucially for a centre, he never had instant acceleration.

 

 

Then we have Stepfontein, much praised for a decent gap he took that helped seal the Boks win. That masked 70 minutes of frenetic but ineffective attacking play.

 

The question for me about Steppie is whether he has enough pace, or is doomed to be a Wynand type.  Two hundred and thirt y minutes against the ABs/Oz seemed to confirm that....does a break outside Horwill prove me wrong?

 

Frankly I'm not sure....but look at the try AC scored. He bumped shoulders with Step with them both running at the same pace towards the Bok line. He was Steppie's man to mark.....but by the time he scored Steppie was 5 metres in the rear view mirror. To me it looks like lack of acceleration and top end.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:18
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30 Sept 2014, 18:18#2
 Mozart
You are  wizard - how do you, judge the paste of players when watching a rugby game on TV?   It is always a mystery to me h ow you come up with definitive findings on players with regard to pace.   So please enlighten me.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:18
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30 Sept 2014, 18:18#3
 Duplication
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:28
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30 Sept 2014, 18:28#4
Ja well in this case they literally were running right next to each other after Kuridrani made his break....about on the halfway line. ACs burst of acceleration took him clear of Steppie and he then extended that lead all the way to the try line.
It was as even a race as you will ever see on a rugby field...except of course AC had the ball and had to take the pass.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:47
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30 Sept 2014, 18:47#5

clevermike

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September 30, 2014, 16:18:39  Mozart
You are  wizard - how do you, judge the paste of players when watching a rugby game on TV?   It is always a mystery to me h ow you come up with definitive findings on players with regard to pace.   So please enlighten me.
You are no slouch at "judging" the pace of players yourself, are you?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 18:50
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30 Sept 2014, 18:50#6
 I will have a look at that incident again - but I think Serfomtein was aiming to tackle Kuridrani and was some way (at least four paces away Ashley-Cooper - when the latter got the ball.   Will check it and see whether I agree.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 19:06
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30 Sept 2014, 19:06#7
Is Coenie faster than Os  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2014, 19:56
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30 Sept 2014, 19:56#8
 Obviously Coenie is faster than Os is now. 1995 Os is a different story though.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
30 Sept 2014, 20:53
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30 Sept 2014, 20:53#9
 Saffex

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September 30, 2014, 17:06:25 Is Coenie faster than Os 



Did Telly Savalas have more hair than Yul Bry nner..............?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
30 Sept 2014, 21:47
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30 Sept 2014, 21:47#10
Old man Jean is faster than young Serfontein. 
Jean got two tries from being in the right place at the right time. This is due to being able to read the game,and also having the speed to run into the space. 
The first try he looped around to run into space to dive over the line= good centre play. 
On his second try, Matfield was back playing inside centre with Jean at outside centre.WTF was Serfontein?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 22:00
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30 Sept 2014, 22:00#11
 Sharktwat stop speaking utter shit you idiot. Jeans tries had stuff all to do with skill or speed.  You could have scored those tries and that says it all.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2014, 22:19
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30 Sept 2014, 22:19#12
 Sharkbok
As far as I could recollect Serfontein carried the ball and was still in the resultant maul when it came out and went to Matfield and De Villiers.
In the case of both tries De Villiers was in space and finished off well.  he wa snowhere to eb seen creating anything during the whole match.   I have no problem with De Villiers - but he really must buck up his performances.    
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2014, 22:21
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30 Sept 2014, 22:21#13
 Jean is past it as are Jannie, Matfield and Bakkies
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Oct 2014, 01:11
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01 Oct 2014, 01:11#14
OOm Serfontein was running shoulder to shoulder with AC at the half way. He never had any intentions about Kuridrani, man you do come up with garbage. What's at issue here is how he got dropped by AC, not the fastest back out there....but he made Steppie look like a stone.
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becsPro4,378 posts
01 Oct 2014, 01:30
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01 Oct 2014, 01:30#15
 Who is better looking ? These are the questions we need answers to !! :0 
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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
01 Oct 2014, 13:42
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01 Oct 2014, 13:42#16
 Serfontein's pace is not that bad. He is faster than Olivier for sure. He was also making up a bit of ground on Cooper (too slow to prevent a score), but slowed down further when Hougaard came across in cover defence. I wouldn't try to judge his pace on that video clip.

Serfonteins problem is more a general South African problem, where instead of changing the line wider to minimise contact, they change the line inwards to try force contact. If SA players could only learn to go that half step wider, we'd see more offloads and a faster paced game.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Oct 2014, 16:58
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01 Oct 2014, 16:58#17
Well Truth I completely agree with your second  point. Every inside centre in RSA steps inside....which given the body angles means almost all offloads go inside.
As for Steppie...go back further in the clip, you will see he literally changes his line to avoid bumping into AC. They were dead even...so there are only two choices, he reacted slowly or he got gassed. I think it's a bit of both.
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