Is there another rugby forum?

Theres the roar but its full of pompous gits ,guardian UK but anything can get you booted from there,ABS,com was supposed to be back up by now but dont hold ya breath .Hi cloudy !

Would that be words like "crud" or "crap" or "cretin" or how about Wart's favourite ... "clunt" ... ??

Were these "raging Boks" directing these awful words at you guys cause of your ignorance regarding the basic laws of rugby ... or did it have something to do with your self righteous, condesending  tone .. ??

Hmmmmm ... ??

Just to be clear, no-one's chasing you Kiwis away from this board but if allblacknblue is looking for some sympathy then I doubt he's going to get much here. I never understand why posters have to have a little bleat before they leave as if anyone cares why they're going. Just go if you don't like it . . . no need to tell us that you're over us or whatever.

This board isn't perfect. There are no archives, there aren't a lot of features and clowns like Baboon-ou and Sharktwat still screw up the margins for everyone when they past their oversized pictures and their endless copy and pastes . . . but I'll tell you what this message board does have that many others don't, it has a relatively relaxed moderator who only takes action in extreme cases and generally lets us get on with things, and it also has contributions from someone who has actually taken part in this year's Rugby Championship.

Anyway, even if you guys do bugger off back to this abs.com board that you speak of, do still come visit us. Just don't expect us to believe the laws of the game have suddenly changed just because it's you New Zealanders telling us.

 So you can tell us to fuck off but object to CLUNT ???? its not an actual swear word like the C word so many of your countrymen are fond of using on you ,why dont you take that up with them hmmm..???  Raging Bok was one of a group of particularly nasty scum who would post nothing but an unbroken stream of the most vile filth imaginable ,maybe sasue could pull up one of his old posts ,the most utterly dewpraved vile garbage I have sver seen anywhere .You could literaly feel him frothing at the mouth with his posts and after reading them you would just feel like showering .Pray he doesnt discover this place or he will cover it in pure degradation .Utterly vile evil and disgusting.

now you are over-reacting Rooi

Allblacknblue: not too many options out there but IMO this is a good site with a better than usual mix of posters.

IMO this snipping will end soon, I hope. In the meantime there is some fun posts & some serious discussion of the rules.

Try and change the subject, this is why I am pushing posters to give their prediciton of the Ellis Park game now. Why don't you give your predictions. You can see the thread on list of topics.

All right Wart ... I didn't know he was a filthy individual.

I've had my say ... you know how I feel ... highly pissed ... 

I'm done with this ... no more comments from me regarding this fiasco.

Time to check out my fanatsy team

 You kiwis must be so bored to be posting on a forum you dont like. Good bye, We really going to miss you. 

this from someone with only 26 posts! LOL! We???????

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 Easy guys, not all Kiwis are bad, far be it from it.    But I agree there are some ABs supporters on this board with a chip on their shoulder.    There is a Kiwi genglement among us, and thats someone like Just__Win.  Respect is what you deserve mate, fair play.

ntanga; thanks for the compliment but kiwi culture is a good culture. However, when provoked we can all get pissed of - we just have different ways of expressing it.

www.supersupporter.co.za

Some here hate that board with a passion and spread all sorts of vile lies such as over-moderation etc etc. Try it out and make your own decision, you may be pleasantly surprised.

Now we will see the haters jumping up and down!

 You Kiwis make this forum a better place, so rather don't leave. 

Lots of the SA posters have aknowleddged that the better team won. 

As well as many other balanced comments about the game. 

What sometimes happens is that so many threads are created for the same or similar topics that the more balanced viewpoints are lost on older threads.

Some the marginal posters from any country are sometimes just looking to turn banter into more than what it is, and then things escalate and this can gets the backs up of more sensibale posters when generalisations are made based on nationality like calling each others players thugs etc.

The blame lies with the shit referee that srewed up the game.

I still think the All Blacks had more than 50% chance of winning the game, but it is frustrating is that the Boks could have perhaps got within 7 points, or even perhaps stopped the All Blacks from scoring 4 tries.

Looking forward to the next game, but looks like the Boks have to win and prevent the All Blacks from scoring a bonus point.

nobodys holding a gun to anyones head, so if u want to leave, then just leave but i have to admit the constant crying about poite from the saffas and kiwis saying bizzys first yellow was justified is pretty tiresome, but each to their own

i aint never leaving sarugby.com this will be my default forum from now on, i was here way back in the days when the site known as rucking flanker, back then there wasa kiwi dude called mamahoot, i think ek was around there, rugbygal and i cant quite remeber if mozter was there too. back then there was no beeno1 aka storminged, so the rugby topics still had its adversarial saffas vs kiwis, but the saffas didnt have the taint of dumbfudgery, lolz.

i dont think i will ever go back to abs.com even if they bring back the forums, really hate the way they fucked everyone over cos of a few douchebag trolls, kiwi IT are pretty incompetent if they cant preform something as simple as an IP ban, but whatever..

but to the kiwi folks, i dont want u guys to leave, i dont agree with everything u say, but the NZ v SA rugger talk is always good fun IMO.
besides, why would u want to leave before the ellis park test??? i can gurantee that sarugby.com is going to be prime real estate for kiwis after the ellis park test, LMAO, :oD

as for SS, beeno1 aka storminged may be a court jester, but banning him just so u can bring others back who siad they dont want blog there until hes gone is fucked up and shows that if ur not in with a certain clique u could be next.

i can think of 11 good reasons why kiwis should stay

RWC -  tick
bledisloe cup - tick
spXV - tick
7sRWC - tick
7s world series - tick
freedom cup - tick
IRB No1 ranking - tick
RC/4nats trophy - tick (LMAO)
womens 7s world series - tick
womens 7s RWC - tick
womens RWC - tick

so i hope u guys dont go, but im going to stay here for the long haul and represent NZ hard, :o)

GO THE MIGHTY MIGHTY NZ RUGBY EMPIRE!!!

 We all love the kiwis here AND ESPECIALLY ABNOB. 

Yep next game should be a cracker sharkbok. I am sure there will be no more nonsense.

Dorkie dumbo please give my regards to master barlee of the unbanning fame. Just tell him if he runs the board like his private fan base he will never get anywhere. All this advice I am giving is free.

Now piss off and close the door behind you - youthe real dork.

SsaSUE you are da man!!!

"Some here hate that board with a passion and spread all sorts of vile lies such as over-moderation etc etc."

"Over-moderation"? Pfffffffhahahaha! Now there's a euphemism if I ever saw one!

Dork, I get the impression quite a few of these Kiwis came here exactly because their abs.com board was over-moderated . . . so I hardly think they'll fit in at Kamp SS where the . . . ahem, let's call them "moderators" . . . behave like childish and spiteful little children who are wielding some kind of power or authority for the first time in their sad and pathetic lives.

But hey, if anyone enjoys a heavy-handed and regulated environment where users can have their posts deleted or edited by the mods or have their personal details splashed all over the board then yes, Kamp SS is the first place I'd recommend!

Tell me, Dork, just out of interest, did the limp-wristed little crybaby moderator who edited my notorious #148 post ever return from his self-imposed exile and admit to it? Unfortunately I can't see for myself if he finally admitted to it or not because his senior Gestapo Oberleutnant banned me from there . . . but only after he very spitefully blurted out my personal details, branded me a liar and accused me of hacking into his website.

Nice bunch!

 that ss board is so overmoderated its a sad joke. Not only is there totally biased moderation but lies as well. Its run as a private club for chommiess and the rest are fair game. Spitefullness reaches a new level there.

Rooitwit I thought I was the only one whose personal details had been disclosed?  

No Baboon-ou, Reichskanzler Von Barlee also put my real name up. It's a long story but the twit thinks I'm some hacker called Mats . . . who apparently also posts on here under a variety of names.

It's all just too pathetic for words but if anyone does venture on there (and get out unscathed), I'm interested to know if Hawkeye ever returned after his tearful little flounce and admitted to editing my post.

 Well I'm not going anywhere . This board offers a good mix of posters. So we had a little bak & forth over the last test. Realistically what would anyone expect. Plus if we all agreed all the time it would be a very boring place & that it is not.

However, beeno (aka it's the refs fault) we are still waiting for your prediction on the outcome @ Ellis park. I generously offered advice on how to factor in risks ( perceived risk/delusions such as ref bias) but still no prediction , lol

Like I said, check the haters jump up and down...bwahahahaha.

 Rooi, I known you don't care, but you were temporarily banned due to the fact that the name on the clip you supplied differed from the email name. You also used to end all your posts with "regards", but did not do so with your last cameo over there. He was suspicious that your account might have been hacked. This might sound a bit paranoid, but that site as well as this site have been hacked recently. It was supposed to be pending investigation,  but I think he just don't want to risk it for a member not actually posting there anymore.  Vlag might shed more light.

Hawk came back to say goodbye in one post and that was it.

I doubt that it was Duke who posted that link for SS, he has an account here.

Beeno, since when do you tell people to piss off? A bit out of character for you, but I think it's better if you leave that door closed. Too much stale water under the bridge. At least your fans know where to find you, please don't be to harsh on them, should they wander here from time to time :)

NZders, please don't leave, it would be so empty should we manage to beat you lot sometime in the future :) 

 Yes they blamed a guy called Mats when someone brought down this site shortly after Moz, Denny, Alucard and myselff started posting here much to their annoyance. That was a pretty vicious act and naturally the spolight fell on ss board. We could not however prove anything. 

So they tried to say Mats was you. Hahahahahahaha how pathetic was that!

They pubished my name, place of work and even my boss. I have been threatened with having my bosss contacted etc etc. When it comes to spitefullness I have not met the like.

When Riechsfuerther Barlee said he was unbanning all the unbanned I could scarcely believe it. Hell would freeze over before I allow the dreadful Beeno back he had ranted in a fit of rage. So I logged on and low and behold I was back. So I then wondered had the oaks had a change of heart as unlikely as that may have been. Had they realised that they had made a big rugby board virtually collapse with their pathetic approach.

I made a post on the rugby site 'Greetings to all my fans". Shortly afterwards it was moved of to gossip girls.The clown hawker main purpsoe in life is to move posts about and make sure everyone knows he is the mod.

The past issues were brought up in the hope I would respond and get banned for causing trouble. I suggested that in view of the new winds blowing we move on. No luck so I enjoyed enlightening the okas there on the issues. 

I went away on business on a Friday evening and returned to Cape Town at friday lunchtime. During this time the number of posts on the thread had rerched over 500 and had over 3500 views. This from a small posting contingent.Talk about obsession. 

Some of the posts, for some strange reason, were not very complimentary of yours truly so I answered them. I was then told I was causing trouble!! The objectivirty as amazing. Some thought I should feel so honoured to be allowed back!!! (Amazing really) I then told wee barlee and the complete twit hawker how they should try and run a board fairly and with integrity quoting SA Rugby as a well moderated board! Hahahhahaha 

The attack packs little member tai pan had gone into meltdown on my return. F-off Beeno F-off Beeno was all he could post. Finally, eschewing advice that it use the ignore button it flounced off in a huff saying it would not post until I was again banned. Hawker then got in on the act and pretended he had been banned because of a fall out  with barlee because he had allowed me back. Barlee had meanwhile changed his avatar to read 'the great unbanner" and had promised no one would be banned again.Hahahhahahahaha

But things were calming down and I even posted near the  final moments we had had sme good laughs on the thread and no harm done. Beenoas always a man of good will.

The attack pack however was alarmed and no doubt they contacted barlee and said its Beeno or them. Not wanting to lose the attack pack that had helped to devastate ss board he announced" I choose tai pansy"! You are banned. He htere had completedhis about turn. The invitstion to the baneed was removed and hsi true colours were shown. A weak unprincipled man but yet not such a bad guy perhaps? Will he ever grow up and develop a backbone one wonders.

Bwahahahahahhahaha it was such a funny time and the clowns there really performed! 

My tale is just one of many, many posters who have departed that blighted place. Great pity really I always think - what might have been. But there has been no change at all I am sorry to report. Some nice folk there but very badly run and the attack pack destroys it as well. 

What is mind boggling is that barlee, rerasonably enough, wants to get the palce to be a paying proposition. How in the world do you do that with a half baked mod self importanrt mod like hawker? Or an attack pack driving folk away or above all running t e place like your private fan base and not on fair play and ethical behaviour.

I dont like to write folk off as we all can learn but heck how many of the same mistakes can you make and not change. 

So Saffex you still get mocked here as does this baord by some. We still get cowardly moles coming here and attacking posters. The last string csame here to have a go at Saffex. To me coming here to attack Saffex and not disclsing ho youare is about as cowardly as it gets but that's the type you are dealing with.

Now Dorkie congrats to you for at least letting us know its you. 

Hi there Draad, perhaps that was over the top. Dorkie and I actually were getting on much better and my stance has always been all are welcome here. But he can do his recruiting elsewhere hence my short piece on ss board goings on. Why dorkie bothers I dont know. How many people have been there and left?  What's the point. Its a futile exercise surely he can see that. 

SS board was massive when we moved to it from Supersport on them closing the rugby forum there. Where is everyone! Its like a ghost town in comparison. hence Barlee unbanning the banned and pretending a new day had dawned there. Unfortunately its the same old same old.  I gave them some genuinely good advice about how to turn it around knowing full well they would very likely not listen and get all ticked off (Not rocket science just basic obvious things). Perhaps one day they will - who knows.

In the meanwhile we have a spat to get over!

You have to love the passion a free rugby board generates. Its winter but who needs a heater!

Hi there Draad, perhaps that was over the top. Dorkie and I actually were getting on much better and my stance has always been all are welcome here. But he can do his recruiting elsewhere hence my short piece on ss board goings on. Why dorkie bothers I dont know. How many people have been there and left?  What's the point. Its a futile exercise surely he can see that. 

SS board was massive when we moved to it from Supersport on them closing the rugby forum there. Where is everyone! Its like a ghost town in comparison. hence Barlee unbanning the banned and pretending a new day had dawned there. Unfortunately its the same old same old.  I gave them some genuinely good advice about how to turn it around knowing full well they would very likely not listen and get all ticked off (Not rocket science just basic obvious things). Perhaps one day they will - who knows.

In the meanwhile we have a spat to get over!

You have to love the passion a free rugby board generates. Its winter but who needs a heater!

DbDraad, if any of that is in fact true, why am I hearing it from you? Reichskanzler Von Barlee gave me zero opportunity to answer any of these allegations or to prove who I am. Why couldn't he e-mail me back to the address he received my e-mail from?

I used a different e-mail address when I sent him the requested screenshot because I didn't want to use my real name, for Pete's sake! What kind of crime is that? I'm banned because I have more than one e-mail address? The e-mail I did use (which I could have explained if I wasn't banned) was  a name that I used on the Sport24 Blogs which is where Mata Hari knows me from and she could have attested to it.

Bear in mind, Reichskanzler Von Barlee asked me for the screenshot as proof that my post was edited by his attack-dog Hawkeye and I sent it to him in good faith, not knowing that he would be able to find my real name on the file and not thinking for one minute he'd blurt it out to everyone. Now, if he thought I was some kind of hacker-geek, surely he'd ask himself how I could be so naive as to divulge that kind of information before using it against me?

Please, don't try to justify his disgraceful behaviour to me. It was inexcusable and if anyone even considers posting on Kamp SS they should know that it's run by the kind of heavy-handed moderators who are prepared to edit other posters comments (and insert words like "c*nt" into the person's post), lie, make unsubstantiated allegations, publish people's real names and ban people without reason or warning or without giving them the chance to defend themselves.

theres always two side to a story, and for me i like to hear both sides, but OMG that is some really dodgy shit right there.

editing peoples posts and publishing peoples real names and private details is a real dog act.

i would like to know the fineprint rules when it comes to registering with SS, cos surely that cant be legal can it??? o_O

 It surely isnt legal but nobody is going to sue them so they can relax. Its a pity something good going bad. Maybe they will in time change their ways.

Anyhow lets  hope we never reach that dismal state. Fortunately the Mod here is very sensible. Only we ourselves can foul up. 

Look, I am not going to get involved in a mud-slinging contest again and I am not going to be dragged into this argument either. I enjoy both the sites, and I am not going to make any secret that Supersupporter is my preference for reasons of my own. I have been a member of both these sites for the same lenght of time, and have been registered here for probably longer than most other members current active members on here, but that is beside the point.

In reply to Draad's remark of shedding some more light on the history, I have no problem either, however I am not going to comment on Rooinek's earlier postings on that site and what happened. It is best solved by the site-owner himself. Although it might appear like that, he is not as unaproachable as many would like to believe. I will, however, try and give an account of what happened.

The history is more or less like this (I will start with a bit of history):

Supersport used to have a forum and a lot of us were members on there. One of the members on that forum was a guy called Mats. I know his real surname as well. He knows a bit about hacking. He got onto the Supersupporter website and there was another typical forum argument one evening and he got pissed off. At the time we were a number of moderators and he took some flack. He then hacked into a few members' profiles and started posting under their names, causeing all kinds of crap between the members. When he was caught out, he warned that he left "a little package" for all of us. At the time, everybody was accepted without any issues and nobody suspected any BS from anybody. Because of the state of good faith, there was also not a lot of security in place. This guy changed everything. The next day the site was down and to top it all whatever he did, leaked through, as I understand it, onto Barlee's server and infected some of his clients' websites, etc, and nearly cost him a hell of a lot of trouble. After that, the security was beefed up a lot and new members were seriously screened, as much as is possible, I have to say.

When the big war resulted in Beeno, Moz and Denny leaving to this site, it was not long before this site was stuffed as well. It was obviously no surprised that the guys from Supersupporter were blamed. Having been through this same thing, Hawkeye who has his fown airly big IT company, and who is really clued up in this kind of thing, contacted the owners of this site and offered to help sort out the issues. He was in personal/telephonic contact with the owners (at the time) of SARugby to assist them.

Back at Supersupporter though, there was a big suspicion for anything out of the order. There are a few very knowledgable guys on there. Amongst other a phorensic expert, and a real one at that. Not a bulshitting guy claiming to be a phorensic expert. He also played quite a role in unmasking our friend. Fact is, however, that nobody can blame Barlee for being very cautious about anything fishy. A lot of us can remember Rooinek. I can clearly remember when he got pissed of and disappeared from Supersupporter many many moons ago. In addition, as Draad has said, there was some of Rooinek's "old writing style" that was missing. In addition Barlee has looked at everything possible and he has said that he really cannot trace anything that there was changes made to posts or anything. Thing is that, in view of what happened in the past, nobody can really blame Barlee for being extra careful. He really did not suspend the account for any reason, other than being careful. There was really nothing vindictave about it.

I have something in mind but would not like to make it appear as though I am trying to lure members away from here to Supersupporter. I can try and mediate because Barlee has said that he will suspend Rooinek's account until he has surety. Just like Draad has said.

As I said, I do not want to create the impression that I want to lure anybody away. There are a few of us who are members of both boards without any issue about it. There is also nothing or nobody at Supersupporter having any issue with anybody posting on both sites. It is after all a free world.

@Rooinek. There are no moderators (plural) anymore. Barlee has genuinly looked into what happened with that particular post and he has not yet been able to determine what has happened.

"@Rooinek. There are no moderators (plural) anymore. Barlee has genuinly looked into what happened with that particular post and he has not yet been able to determine what has happened."

Well, Ceradyne, I told him what happened and the only person who can refute or verify my version of events is the snivelling crybaby who edited my post and then ran away like a big blubbering gurly-boy.

And tell me, how do you hand-wringing Kamp SS apologists explain Von Barlee putting my real name up? You're all saying what a wonderful person he is, but how do you explain that incredibly childish and vindictive act? Hmmm?

Let me have a look at those posts again. If there is any possibilty of having an amicable solution to this, I would like to have a go at it. If there is nothing I can do, I will say so. Fact is that there is a lot of advantages and fun to be had in both the sites. For me in any case.

Hang on, don't change the subject so quickly, you haven't answered my question. How do you explain barlee putting my real name up on the boards for everyone to see? Do you think that's acceptable behaviour for a forum moderator?

 Agree fully with your sentiments Moz and I have always found abnob to be great fun. 

Vlagman you can only enjoy this site because we dont have the great banner here (who became the great unbanner and reverted to being the great banner dispite his promises and really has no clue) and we dont have a first class twit like hawker lording it over the board and lending his support to the attack pack and his chommies . I choose taipansy and you are out - no principles involved - no integity involved merely the whim of the big (b)aaaaaaas.

As for the hacking, just as we could not prove ss board involvement neither could you or hawker prove it was not although who else was a big question. Why was the board brought down just as were getting it going? 

Bwahahahahaha no wonder so many ss board types enjoy it here. Its free of the big, big interferring clowns - you are so lucky to be allowed to post here bulldust, this is a private board, rights of admission reserved, its Barlee's house . Man those twits were gobsmacked when I toid them I couldnt care a hoot if they banned me again. Expected me to be grovelling taking all the rubbish the attack pack dished out and not reply!!!. Must be loonies.

Unfortunately hawker has cowed the oaks there. On one thread they diverted from the rugby topic briefly and he snapped his fingers telling them the thread had been hijacked and he would move it. Immediately they all dropped the conversation as the big baas had spoken. Pathetic to treat adults like that. Pahetic to allow a total twit to dictate matters like that. 

Nice to see you so willing to look at the posts again windpomp. Pity you were unavailable to establish truth at other times eg when I asked you to pull up posts to prove matters.  My experience of you is that you will defend ss board regardless of the truth. If there is nothing you can do its probably because ss board is in the wrong - again - and that cant see the light of day now can it.

@Rooinek. I said that I am going to read those posts, including the name issue as well,  again first. I will come back to you on this, and I will.

@Beeno. You may, or may not, have noticed that I do not reply to your posts. It is not worth it. I will make an exception this time, though. You, yourself slammed that door shut. End of.